On one hand, this is great as Tailwind can continue as a going concern. On the other, how long until Tailwind AI?
It's not clear how much Google is kicking in, it might not actually be enough to keep Tailwind going.
Google AI Studio is now sponsoring Tailwind CSS
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Re: Google AI Studio is now sponsoring Tailwind CSS
#32Earlier quoted context omitted.
Not necessarily. We don't know what all their costs are, but it's a lot more than just salaries. I'm sure there was a lot of uncertainty in how long those sponsorships would last. There are any number of factors. Adam also stated in a podcast [0] that he laid people of now in order to ensure they he could give them generous severance packages. I'm sure people will have thoughts on that but whatever, I think that make…
What costs could tailwind the OSS project have besides payroll and SaaS subs of max 20% the payroll?
Hosting, marketing, other promotional stuff (conferences, maybe other?), there are still three people on the payroll and otherwise I don't know (which was part of my point) as I've never run a business like this before myself. Oh, subscriptions to AI services... that's pricey I hear ;)
Re: Google AI Studio is now sponsoring Tailwind CSS
#33I suppose this an attempt to try and head off the stories about "AI" killing open source
Maybe there are also engineers at Google who saw the thread yesterday and wanted to help out? I agree that companies are self-serving, but (for now) they’re made of people who are not.
Re: Google AI Studio is now sponsoring Tailwind CSS
#34Earlier quoted context omitted.
Most likely, as Adam directly "credited" their revenue issues to AI (which makes sense, tailwind was making money by selling pre-made components, but now the AI can generate those for you).
The AI issue was that their docs advertise their paid offerings. When AI plagiarizes the docs it doesn't include the ads.
And since AI knows every Tailwind page, you probably do not need the paid offer for a decent looking page.
Well you always could just read the docs instead of using the paid offer. Took longer. Not anymore.
Re: Google AI Studio is now sponsoring Tailwind CSS
#35Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Google has poured untold millions into open source over the last couple of decades, not just by sponsorships, but also by employing contributors, etc. And Google has profited untold hundreds of billions of open source over the last couple of decades. They just need to be reminded of it. Edit: Haha, getting downvoted! Never underestimate the power of tens of thousands of Googlers on HN... Look, I use Gmail, Google m…
Google is actually kind of infamous for not using much in the way of OSS software. The list of things I can think of is: * Linux * LLVM * Webkit/Chrome (which they have done the majority of contributions to for a long time) * Java & a little bit of Python
For Linux / ChromeOS:
GPU drivers benefit heavily:
- Freedreno for Qualcomm
- Panthor for Arm Mali
Lots of Linux contributions for Rust drivers
Re: Google AI Studio is now sponsoring Tailwind CSS
#36This is good, but it doesn't necessarily mean that Tailwind is out of the financial difficulty that we talked about yesterday. You can sponsor Tailwind for as little as $6,000/year. 29 companies were already sponsoring Tailwind including 16 companies at the $60,000/year level. Maybe Google AI Studio has decided to shell out a lot more, but it could also be a relatively small sponsorship compared to the $1.1M in spons…
I would think Tailwind could keep 3 engineers around if they are getting sponsorship of over $1m/yr.
Obviously, yes. Even in the SV area. We all know engineers' capabilities triple or more if they work from there. /S
Re: Google AI Studio is now sponsoring Tailwind CSS
#37Earlier quoted context omitted.
Most likely, as Adam directly "credited" their revenue issues to AI (which makes sense, tailwind was making money by selling pre-made components, but now the AI can generate those for you).
The AI issue was that their docs advertise their paid offerings. When AI plagiarizes the docs it doesn't include the ads.
It’s both.
Re: Google AI Studio is now sponsoring Tailwind CSS
#38This is good, but it doesn't necessarily mean that Tailwind is out of the financial difficulty that we talked about yesterday. You can sponsor Tailwind for as little as $6,000/year. 29 companies were already sponsoring Tailwind including 16 companies at the $60,000/year level. Maybe Google AI Studio has decided to shell out a lot more, but it could also be a relatively small sponsorship compared to the $1.1M in spons…
It seems to be in Google's interest to keep Tailwind CSS afloat.
Tailwind CSS is alive -> New / existing projects keep using Tailwind CSS -> more code for Gemini to train upon -> better and fancier UIs being created through Gemini -> popularity and usage of Gemini doesn't go down
Of course this applies to any other LLM provider too but I guess Google saw this opportunity first.
Re: Google AI Studio is now sponsoring Tailwind CSS
#39This is good, but it doesn't necessarily mean that Tailwind is out of the financial difficulty that we talked about yesterday. You can sponsor Tailwind for as little as $6,000/year. 29 companies were already sponsoring Tailwind including 16 companies at the $60,000/year level. Maybe Google AI Studio has decided to shell out a lot more, but it could also be a relatively small sponsorship compared to the $1.1M in spons…
It seems to be in Google's interest to keep Tailwind CSS afloat. Tailwind CSS is alive -> New / existing projects keep using Tailwind CSS -> more code for Gemini to train upon -> better and fancier UIs being created through Gemini -> popularity and usage of Gemini doesn't go down Of course this applies to any other LLM provider too but I guess Google saw this opportunity first.
I think it'd be better for AI and web dev if AIs generated real CSS instead.
The supposed difficulty of tracking from elements to classes to rulesets is something that AIs can easily handle, and being able to change a ruleset once and have the update apply to all use sites is really good for AI-driven changes.
Plus, humans and AIs won't have to wait for Tailwind to adopt new CSS features as they are added. If the AI can read MDN, it can use the feature.