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Re: The Post-American Internet

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Post by mk89 »

thefz wrote: post #23
Quothling wrote: post #4

I've spent a couple of decades in the Danish public sector of digitalisation and in the private sector for global green energy. 10 years ago people would've laughed if you talked about leaving Microsoft and iOS in enterprise. Now we all have contingency plans for just that, and a lot of organisations are already actually doing it. So I would argue that there is more of a crack, but I'm not sure the post-american inte…

If you think internet surveillance is an EU first, you will be delighted to read about PRISM

I think nobody in the EU believes that America is the country of freedom and privacy and anonymity. (Boolean and)

I guess what the OP meant is that in EU you might have the police knocking at your door for some reasons you don't have in the USA, not because they don't have data about you, but because in the USA you have some very strong constitutional rights that are really hard to bypass.

Twitter, Tiktok, etc could never be created in the current EU.

Re: The Post-American Internet

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Post by rockskon »

anigbrowl wrote: post #14
Quothling wrote: post #4

I've spent a couple of decades in the Danish public sector of digitalisation and in the private sector for global green energy. 10 years ago people would've laughed if you talked about leaving Microsoft and iOS in enterprise. Now we all have contingency plans for just that, and a lot of organisations are already actually doing it. So I would argue that there is more of a crack, but I'm not sure the post-american inte…

With one hand they do so much to protect consumer rights for us citizens, but with the other hand they build a survailance state. The US is doing that too, and has been pretty open about it for years.

Europe wants so very much worse in many cases.

Re: The Post-American Internet

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Post by ben_w »

mk89 wrote: post #31
thefz wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you think internet surveillance is an EU first, you will be delighted to read about PRISM

I think nobody in the EU believes that America is the country of freedom and privacy and anonymity. (Boolean and) I guess what the OP meant is that in EU you might have the police knocking at your door for some reasons you don't have in the USA, not because they don't have data about you, but because in the USA you have some very strong constitutional rights that are really hard to bypass. Twitter, Tiktok, etc could…

> because in the USA you have some very strong constitutional rights that are really hard to bypass.

It exists, but it is being selectively ignored by those in charge. Don't assume it will automatically defend you, especially not pre-emptively:

https://edition.cnn.com/2025/12/17/politics/retired-cop-jail...

https://www.thefire.org/news/lawsuit-fire-challenges-unconst...

Re: The Post-American Internet

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Post by Towaway69 »

ares623 wrote: post #19

Maybe countries need to seriously consider stockpiling old hardware. Rather than sending ewaste to Southeast Asia for “recycling”, old laptops and smartphones could be the only things usable in a future fractured world.

I got three old laptops flying around, I’m prepared for the golden future of dialup EU internet.

Plus old nokia and ericisson phones! Need some rotary phones to be really safe. /s

Re: The Post-American Internet

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Post by Barathkanna »

This post highlights Enshittification, which in genera; is the process where platforms start out serving users, then shift to exploiting users to benefit business customers, and finally hollow everything out to extract maximum profit for themselves.

Re: The Post-American Internet

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Post by spiritplumber »

pu_pe wrote: post #2

> If the EU repeals Article 6 of the Copyright Directive, some smart geeks in Finland could reverse-engineer Apple's bootloaders and make a hardware dongle that jailbreaks phones so that they can use alternative app stores Apple could easily block this, and in the situation described here of a complete rupture with the US, they would no longer operate and sell phones in the EU. If Google decided to do the same, that…

The EU is a bigger market than the US when it comes to smartphones. So Apple would block this about as much as they would block moving over to USB-C.

Re: The Post-American Internet

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Post by ben_w »

pu_pe wrote: post #2

> If the EU repeals Article 6 of the Copyright Directive, some smart geeks in Finland could reverse-engineer Apple's bootloaders and make a hardware dongle that jailbreaks phones so that they can use alternative app stores Apple could easily block this, and in the situation described here of a complete rupture with the US, they would no longer operate and sell phones in the EU. If Google decided to do the same, that…

Microsoft, yes and that would be catastrophic.

For security quality reasons, I hope Apple have made that suggestion impossible, but for law enforcement reasons I doubt it and anticipate a backdoor exists.

Google wouldn't block enough of Android to matter: Core is open source, EU forks/alternatives are likely already under development, and even if not a complete rupture with the US also likely means rapidly getting comfortable with China despite everything, and China already have Android forks.

However, Google docs/sheets/etc are a common business alternative to Microsoft, and therefore such a transatlantic rupture also cuts that. FWIW, I've never encountered a business using LibreOffice etc.

Re: The Post-American Internet

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Post by delis-thumbs-7e »

nottorp wrote: post #26
pu_pe wrote: post #2

> If the EU repeals Article 6 of the Copyright Directive, some smart geeks in Finland could reverse-engineer Apple's bootloaders and make a hardware dongle that jailbreaks phones so that they can use alternative app stores Apple could easily block this, and in the situation described here of a complete rupture with the US, they would no longer operate and sell phones in the EU. If Google decided to do the same, that…

> that essentially leaves Europeans without smartphones ... for about 20 minutes before China steps in. Or Samsung with de Googled Android models.

Or maybe… Finland? There is linux phones already, so perhaps Apple and Google f-king off might not be a bad thing.
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