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ICE is using facial-recognition technology to quickly arrest people

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Re: ICE is using facial-recognition technology to quickly arrest people

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Post by fooker »

servo_sausage wrote: post #18
KnuthIsGod wrote: post #2

When China did this, this was seen as a terrible violation of rights.... Now that we do this hundreds of times a day, it has become routine.

China is already doing abominable things; how people react to additional surveillance is always related to what the state is actually doing with that information. So a system that supports the abduction of polital rivals (an actual human rights violation) is not the same as a system that supports the lawful arrest of someone breaking a law that's accepted as part of a democracy. I also think the scale of investment p…

> abduction of political rivals

Couldn’t have timed it better, we just pulled off the most high profile abduction of a geopolitical rival in history.

Re: ICE is using facial-recognition technology to quickly arrest people

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Post by raverbashing »

ikekkdcjkfke wrote: post #25
rootsudo wrote: post #7

It’s not just facial it’s also gait recognition too.

Mostly gait probably. I wonder if there are any hacker techniques to scramble gait, like putting wooden planks or plastic parts inside clothes

The UK once had a ministry specialized on that /s

Re: ICE is using facial-recognition technology to quickly arrest people

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

imoverclocked wrote: post #9

> the agency has greenlighted a contract for a tool that can scan subjects’ irises Where does the initial iris data come from? Is this actually collected now?

> Where does the initial iris data come from?

Visa photos. DACA applications [1]. Basically anyone who trusted the government at any point in the past.

It won't catch cartel members. But cocaine seems to be the one thing whose price this administration has driven down [2].

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deferred_Action_for_Childhood_...

[2] https://www.wsj.com/world/americas/mexico-drugs-cartel-osegu... "Cocaine prices have fallen by nearly half to around $60 to $75 a gram compared with five years ago"

Re: ICE is using facial-recognition technology to quickly arrest people

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Post by throwfaraway135 »

Depending on the crime, most people would agree that face/gait recognition is warranted, for example in case of murder or rape.

The difference here is that some people consider "illegal immigration" to be more like a misdemeanor, others consider it to be something much more serious.

Re: ICE is using facial-recognition technology to quickly arrest people

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

fooker wrote: post #31
servo_sausage wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

China is already doing abominable things; how people react to additional surveillance is always related to what the state is actually doing with that information. So a system that supports the abduction of polital rivals (an actual human rights violation) is not the same as a system that supports the lawful arrest of someone breaking a law that's accepted as part of a democracy. I also think the scale of investment p…

> abduction of political rivals Couldn’t have timed it better, we just pulled off the most high profile abduction of a geopolitical rival in history.

> we just pulled off the most high profile abduction of a geopolitical rival in history

We literally did the same thing in 1989 [1]. Russia planned to do it to Zelensky when they first invaded.

None of this makes it okay. But it's hyperbolic to say it's unprecedented, even in U.S. history.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_invasion_of_Pana...

Re: ICE is using facial-recognition technology to quickly arrest people

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

throwfaraway135 wrote: post #34

Depending on the crime, most people would agree that face/gait recognition is warranted, for example in case of murder or rape. The difference here is that some people consider "illegal immigration" to be more like a misdemeanor, others consider it to be something much more serious.

> Depending on the crime, most people would agree that face/gait recognition is warranted, for example in case of murder or rape

That's the problem with dragnet surveillance. People are okay with it for extreme cases. And then the scope creeps.

Free or secure. You can't have both. And you usually can't even have just the latter.

Re: ICE is using facial-recognition technology to quickly arrest people

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

KnuthIsGod wrote: post #2

When China did this, this was seen as a terrible violation of rights.... Now that we do this hundreds of times a day, it has become routine.

> When China did this, this was seen as a terrible violation of rights

"Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere" [1].

Beijing showed the way. We followed their path. Both are at fault.

[1] https://www.africa.upenn.edu/Articles_Gen/Letter_Birmingham....

Re: ICE is using facial-recognition technology to quickly arrest people

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Post by dmitrygr »

throwfaraway135 wrote: post #34

Depending on the crime, most people would agree that face/gait recognition is warranted, for example in case of murder or rape. The difference here is that some people consider "illegal immigration" to be more like a misdemeanor, others consider it to be something much more serious.

> " others consider "

laws are knowable. readable. Opinion on them does NOT matter.

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