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Nori Lights - Bicycle Illumination System

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Re: Nori Lights - Bicycle Illumination System

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post #10

If you look at the video you can see how the amount of black light in a given spot changes the brightness of that spot. It could be cool to create different light patterns, changing the intensity of the leds with the speed of the bike.

No. Most countries rightfully regulate light sources on vehicles. That would only serve to irritate drivers, not warn them or make it easier to identify you.

The US is not one of these countries, though some states and localities require lights on bicycles and that they be particular colors. Germany specifies that the rear red light must not be constant-on, but many people believe that blinking rear lights confuse drivers at night (attract drunk drivers, affect distance perception of normal drivers, etc.) and since the jury is still out, it's nice to be able to make your own decisions rather than require the government to make them for you.

I don't see any safety problem with "pimping out" your bike with rim lights that change color with the bike's speed. Just realize that you look like a twelve year old kid when you do. And make sure you have real lights for actual riding.

Re: Nori Lights - Bicycle Illumination System

#32
post #26

Reflective tape on the rims is a common solution. There's reflective tape that looks black in daylight and is available at any bike shop. There are reflectors you can put on the spokes, too, also available at any bike shop. Here's a video showing what reflective tape looks like in the dark: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bm5muia44XI&feature=relmf... As for actively illuminated lights, there are a large number of comm…

Indeed. Pretty much all Schwalbe commuting/city tires have huge bands of retroreflective material around the sidewalls that make your bicycle quite visible to anything beside you with a light. (They're really good tires, too.) Most bicycle lights also intentionally spit out a little bit of light to the side to also make you more visible. I'd recommend investing in a good front light and good rear light (with built-in…

One thing I don't like about the reflective strip on tires is that it can create the illusion that the bike is stationary, because you don't see the wheels turning. The Nori video shows the same problem. I suspect anything that makes the turning of the wheels evident is a big improvement.

Some people have a lot of fun with it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YU_O-OKuaeI&feature=relat...

Re: Nori Lights - Bicycle Illumination System

#33
post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Indeed. Pretty much all Schwalbe commuting/city tires have huge bands of retroreflective material around the sidewalls that make your bicycle quite visible to anything beside you with a light. (They're really good tires, too.) Most bicycle lights also intentionally spit out a little bit of light to the side to also make you more visible. I'd recommend investing in a good front light and good rear light (with built-in…

One thing I don't like about the reflective strip on tires is that it can create the illusion that the bike is stationary, because you don't see the wheels turning. The Nori video shows the same problem. I suspect anything that makes the turning of the wheels evident is a big improvement. Some people have a lot of fun with it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YU_O-OKuaeI&feature=relat...

I don't really understand that. If the bike is moving, it will look like a pair of moving circles because the bike is moving through space, not sitting on a repair stand.

Anyway, wouldn't you take the same action for a stopped object in your path as for a moving object in your path?

Re: Nori Lights - Bicycle Illumination System

#34
post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One thing I don't like about the reflective strip on tires is that it can create the illusion that the bike is stationary, because you don't see the wheels turning. The Nori video shows the same problem. I suspect anything that makes the turning of the wheels evident is a big improvement. Some people have a lot of fun with it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YU_O-OKuaeI&feature=relat...

I don't really understand that. If the bike is moving, it will look like a pair of moving circles because the bike is moving through space, not sitting on a repair stand. Anyway, wouldn't you take the same action for a stopped object in your path as for a moving object in your path?

I might not be in their path yet :-) I don't want to get hit by someone rolling through a right on red because they thought the shiny circles were a reflection from a sign across the street or what-not. Depth perception in the dark is greatly aided by knowing what you're looking at, and lights are especially tricky to identify and locate when there's water on the road, lots of illuminated signage around, etc.

I still worry that a driver is going to see my obviously spinning wheels and not understand what they're looking at. I want my reflection in the dark to immediately suggest a cyclist, not a set of mysterious floating lights, since depth perception is aided by knowing what you're looking at. A car can travel a long distance in the time it takes to go from "WTF is that spinny thing in my field of vision?" to "Oh, a cyclist in the right lane." (It doesn't help that I'm in Texas, where cyclists are still an oddity to many drivers.) I'm considering putting some reflective tape on my helmet -- I wonder if that would help.

Re: Nori Lights - Bicycle Illumination System

#35
post #17

The single biggest problem seems to be that the adhesive phosphorescent strip is attached to the rim, which on most bikes is what the brake blocks press against to stop the bike. If you look closely in the video, his bike has no brakes !!! (You even see him use his feet to stop.) So much for "saving lives"! Disc brakes would overcome this, but that's going to be an expensive retrofit for most cyclists.

i think coaster (hub) brakes are much more common in the usa than elsewhere (i didn't know of them until i used one in the states).

Re: Nori Lights - Bicycle Illumination System

#36
post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Indeed. Pretty much all Schwalbe commuting/city tires have huge bands of retroreflective material around the sidewalls that make your bicycle quite visible to anything beside you with a light. (They're really good tires, too.) Most bicycle lights also intentionally spit out a little bit of light to the side to also make you more visible. I'd recommend investing in a good front light and good rear light (with built-in…

One thing I don't like about the reflective strip on tires is that it can create the illusion that the bike is stationary, because you don't see the wheels turning. The Nori video shows the same problem. I suspect anything that makes the turning of the wheels evident is a big improvement. Some people have a lot of fun with it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YU_O-OKuaeI&feature=relat...

You could just obscure parts of the strip with some electrical tape, so you can see the dark part moving in a circle.

Re: Nori Lights - Bicycle Illumination System

#37
I don't understand why certain for-profit products are allowed on Kickstarter and others aren't. Is the decision-making process totally random? Or is it just up to the particular whims and desires of those at Kickstarter making the decisions?

Sorry to gripe, but I've seen far too many undeserving products (I'm not making any judgment about this particular one) make the cut while deserving ones get rejected. And if you have a web app you're trying to fund, forget it. Why hardware products make the cut and software ones don't is a complete mystery.

Re: Nori Lights - Bicycle Illumination System

#38

I like that bicycling is gaining in popularity outside of my country (The Netherlands), but do you need to re-invent the wheel every time? Simple (theft-resistant) reflector strips have been the norm here for a long time: http://www.fietsen.123.nl/thumbs/300x205h/2010-03/2bs_bicycl...

The answer: yes, they really think they do. As a Belgian living in North America, I find myself repeating the same thing over and over again: Europe figured this shit out 30 years ago. Just do what they are doing.

But then they insist it couldn't possibly work. So they do dumb things like requiring bike helmets, but not reflectors or brakes.

Re: Nori Lights - Bicycle Illumination System

#39
post #28
post #17

The single biggest problem seems to be that the adhesive phosphorescent strip is attached to the rim, which on most bikes is what the brake blocks press against to stop the bike. If you look closely in the video, his bike has no brakes !!! (You even see him use his feet to stop.) So much for "saving lives"! Disc brakes would overcome this, but that's going to be an expensive retrofit for most cyclists.

There's a flat part right by the tire where the brakes contact the rim, but there's also a partially sideways-facing surface as the rim curves around to the other side. You can put tape on that surface without affecting the brakes.

That's generally only true on road bikes made for going fast. The rims are deep like that for aerodynamics. Cruisers (like shown in the videos), hybrids and most other transportation bikes tend not to have those deep rims.

Re: Nori Lights - Bicycle Illumination System

#40
post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One thing I don't like about the reflective strip on tires is that it can create the illusion that the bike is stationary, because you don't see the wheels turning. The Nori video shows the same problem. I suspect anything that makes the turning of the wheels evident is a big improvement. Some people have a lot of fun with it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YU_O-OKuaeI&feature=relat...

You could just obscure parts of the strip with some electrical tape, so you can see the dark part moving in a circle.

Or still have a conventional reflector on the spokes...
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