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Trump says U.S. operation captured Venezuela's president Nicolas Maduro

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Re: Trump says U.S. operation captured Venezuela's president Nicolas Maduro

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Post by mothballed »

impossiblefork wrote: post #21
voidfunc wrote: post #12

So where do we go from here? Venezuela doesn't have the capacity to strike back. I assume this triggers a civil war for power. Maduro is a dead man flying to his future grave.

No, the VP takes over, i.e. Delcy Rodríguez and this has already happened.

They might as well declare they are president of USA as well while they're at it. Maduro's regime was just publicly emasculated. They already had no legitimacy due to a fraudulent election and now they have no physical power either.

Without might makes right (US puppet) or some recognition of legitimacy, any leader is little more than a loudspeaker in a pretty house.

Re: Trump says U.S. operation captured Venezuela's president Nicolas Maduro

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Post by impossiblefork »

mothballed wrote: post #31
impossiblefork wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, the VP takes over, i.e. Delcy Rodríguez and this has already happened.

They might as well declare they are president of USA as well while they're at it. Maduro's regime was just publicly emasculated. They already had no legitimacy due to a fraudulent election and now they have no physical power either. Without might makes right (US puppet) or some recognition of legitimacy, any leader is little more than a loudspeaker in a pretty house.

I don't agree and I don't think it would have mattered if it were true.

Delcy Rodríguez is president now. Presumably their military is treating her as the president.

Re: Trump says U.S. operation captured Venezuela's president Nicolas Maduro

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Post by dxdm »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #24
7bit wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> mostly striking military targets You are ok with Trump invading a neighbour country, kidnapping a person while accepting some civilian casualties? I wonder what you would think if Canada would invade the USA and kidnapping Trump and other criminals. This strike was not sanctioned by Venezuela. They are sovereign and they have the right to deal with their affairs in their own way. The USA -- as so often in history -…

> You are ok with Trump invading a neighbour country, kidnapping a person while accepting some civilian casualties? Nope. But I’m saying this could potentially turn out okay. Probably not. We probably get a civil war or like Cuba moonshotting for nukes. But there are avenues from this point on where it could wind up okay. (I would not have expected we’d have nabbed Maduro so quickly twelve hours ago.) > They violated…

Yeah, that makes it such a weird notion to want to celebrate here. I mean, even if Venezuelans get really lucky and come out ahead, the global net result of actions like this is hardly going to be positive.

Re: Trump says U.S. operation captured Venezuela's president Nicolas Maduro

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Post by supermatt »

scotty79 wrote: post #18

Kidnapping president of another country? That's new right?

Capturing the head of state has happened many times historically. I think the USA is the only sovereign state to have done it in recent history though (and multiple times at that!).

Re: Trump says U.S. operation captured Venezuela's president Nicolas Maduro

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Post by faidit »

andrewinardeer wrote: post #17
faidit wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Trump is a criminal who just completely violated international law to steal another country's resources. Nothing impressive or worth celebrating about this kidnapping, period. They can't have free and fair elections when the US is literally holding their president hostage. And dictatorships like Saudi Arabia are just fine apparently.

Maduro's last two elections werent even close to free and fair. To throw the phrase 'free and fair' into the same sentence as 'Maduro' is ridiculous.

I didn't say they were. What's ridiculous is to suggest that piracy, war crimes and kidnapping by the dictator-loving Trump regime will bring about free elections.

Re: Trump says U.S. operation captured Venezuela's president Nicolas Maduro

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Post by einsteinx2 »

eps wrote: post #15

Doesn't the president require a Congress approval for this sort of military action?

I think the president only needs permission from Congress to officially declare war (or rather only Congress can declare war), but the president is commander in chief of the US military and can do, for lack of a better term, “special military operations” without any approval (all joking aside, I think it means the president can always order military action just can’t declare war against another country, and I don’t believe the US has declared war on Venezuela).

Re: Trump says U.S. operation captured Venezuela's president Nicolas Maduro

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Post by moralestapia »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #14
voidfunc wrote: post #12

So where do we go from here? Venezuela doesn't have the capacity to strike back. I assume this triggers a civil war for power. Maduro is a dead man flying to his future grave.

> where do we go from here? My honest guess? Cuba. (If I were in charge from this minute on, I’d offer Maduro a pardon, asylum and a mountain of cash to (a) assist with a regime change and (b) tell us all of Cuba, Iran, Russia and China’s nasty business.)

Lol, Cuba has zero (if not negative) value.
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