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The rise of industrial software

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Re: The rise of industrial software

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I've been thinking about this for a while, and largely agree that industralization of software development is what we are seeing. But the emphasis on low quality is misplaced. Take this for example: ``` Industrial systems reliably create economic pressure toward excess, low quality goods. ``` Industrial systems allow for low quality goods, but also they deliver quality way beyond what can be achieved in artisanal pro…

How does that apply to amish furniture?

Re: The rise of industrial software

#32
post #6

These damn articles. Software moved into an industrial revolution when you could write in a high level language, and not in assembly. This has already happened .

You either see what codex and opus are capable of and extrapolate the trendline or you don’t; the author clearly saw and extrapolated. Not that I disagree: I’m on record agreeing with the article months ago. Folks in labs probably seen it coming for years. Yes we’ve seen major improvements in software development velocity - libraries, OSes, containers, portable bytecodes - but I’m afraid we’ve seen nothing yet. Claud…

And if we extrapolate 5% economic growth per year we will consume all the energy in our light cone in 1000 years.

Re: The rise of industrial software

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post #16

Hmm, I'm not sure I see the value in "disposable software". In any commercial service people are looking for software solutions that are durable, dependable, extensible, maintainable. This is the exact opposite of disposable software. The whole premise of AI bringing democratization to software development and letting any layperson produce software signals a gross misunderstanding of how software development works an…

Yes, software needs to be secure. If we accept the premise that software is going to be churned out in bulk, then the mechanisms for securing software must evolve rapidly... I don't see a world where there is custom software for everything but all insecure in different ways.

Re: The rise of industrial software

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post #20

A question that was not addressed in the article and contrasts software with industrialized products from the past is - who are the consumers of the software produced at industrial scale? Stitching of clothes by machines accelerated garment product only because there was demand and consumption tied to population. But software is not tied to population similar to food and clothes. It doesn't deprecate, it is not exclu…

> but decades of feedback, tuning and fixing

On the contrary, this is likely the reason why we can disrupt these large players.

Experience from 2005 just don't hold that much value in 2025 in tech.

Re: The rise of industrial software

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post #17

Not convinced. There is an obvious value in having more food or more products for almost anybody on Earth. I am not sure this is the case for software. Most people's needs are completely fulfilled with the amount and quality of software they already have.

> There is an obvious value in having more food or more products for almost anybody on Earth

Quite the opposite is true. For a large proportion of people, they would increase both the amount of years they live and quality of life by eating less.

I think the days where more product is always better lapse to an end - we just need to figure out how the economy should work.

Re: The rise of industrial software

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Thing is: Industrialization is about repeating manufacturing steps. You don't need to repeat anything for software. Software can be copied arbitrarily for no practical cost.

The idea of automation creating a massive amount of software sounds ridiculous. Why would we need that? More Games? Can only be consumed at the pace of the player. Agents? Can be reused once they fulfill a task sufficently.

We're probably going to see a huge amount of customization where existing software is adapted to a specific use case or user via LLMs, but why would anyone waste energy to re-create the same algorithms over and over again.

Re: The rise of industrial software

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post #37

Thing is: Industrialization is about repeating manufacturing steps. You don't need to repeat anything for software. Software can be copied arbitrarily for no practical cost. The idea of automation creating a massive amount of software sounds ridiculous. Why would we need that? More Games? Can only be consumed at the pace of the player. Agents? Can be reused once they fulfill a task sufficently. We're probably going t…

People re-create the same algorithms all the time for different languages or because of license incompatibility.

I'm personally doing just that because I want an algorithm written in C++ in a LGPL library working in another language

Re: The rise of industrial software

#39

I've been thinking about this for a while, and largely agree that industralization of software development is what we are seeing. But the emphasis on low quality is misplaced. Take this for example: ``` Industrial systems reliably create economic pressure toward excess, low quality goods. ``` Industrial systems allow for low quality goods, but also they deliver quality way beyond what can be achieved in artisanal pro…

Better along which dimensions? Most luxury cars are made the artisanal way.

Re: The rise of industrial software

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post #7

I'm not through yet but I don't know. As a developer for almost 30 years now, if I think where most of my code went, I would say, quantitatively, to the bin. I processed much data, dumps and logs over the years. I collected statistical information, mapped flows, created models of the things I needed to understand. And this was long before any "big data" thing. Nothing changed with AI. I keep doing the same things, bu…

That holds true for a tailor, even expensive clothing items eventually wear out and get thrown away. They are cared for better, repaired a few times, but in the end, disposed of. I’d say that analogy holds up for 'traditionally' created software vs. AI-created software. Handmade clothes vs. fast fashion.
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