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UK company sends factory with 1,000C furnace into space

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Re: UK company sends factory with 1,000C furnace into space

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I'm curious what the thermal management system on this looks like. On one hand, vacuum being in essence a perfect insulator works in favor of keeping the silicon hot for the very long time it takes to pull a boule while requiring very little energy. On the other hand, you have to make sure the control electronics don't also heat up to 1000C. I'm also curious how you keep the molten silion separate from the crystal wi…

Something like a vacuum flask, I imagine. Vacuum is a very good insulator already and you minimise radiative heat transfer (infrared glow) by making a surface shiny and metallic usually (low emissivity)

Good electrical conductors are also good thermal conductors. It's a fun system challenge to minimize what needs to be hot, but some things will have to get hot. It could be reduced to a photodiode, transistor, and a relay.

But how do you get the power to the heater in a compact way?

Re: UK company sends factory with 1,000C furnace into space

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Something like a vacuum flask, I imagine. Vacuum is a very good insulator already and you minimise radiative heat transfer (infrared glow) by making a surface shiny and metallic usually (low emissivity)

Good electrical conductors are also good thermal conductors. It's a fun system challenge to minimize what needs to be hot, but some things will have to get hot. It could be reduced to a photodiode, transistor, and a relay. But how do you get the power to the heater in a compact way?

Diamond is my favorite exception to this, one of the best thermal conductor and insulators.

Re: UK company sends factory with 1,000C furnace into space

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I'm only YouTube-level informed on how silicon manufacturing works, but something that is, perhaps intentionally, not made clear to someone unfamiliar with the field is that this is not manufacturing chips in space. This is to grow the crystals only, the very first step in silicon chip manufacturing. This is how you get the ingot, then you slice it to get the wafers upon which the chips are built. The reason you woul…

>this is not manufacturing chips in space *crisps It's from the UK.

Chips are definitely a thing in the UK. Like French fries but usually chunkier: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fish_and_chips

Re: UK company sends factory with 1,000C furnace into space

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UK - the only country to achieve to-orbit capability only to shelve it after the first flight.

France essentially did that too, in favour of the ESA (I think the French launcher may have had a couple launches, but certainly no more than ten).

Re: UK company sends factory with 1,000C furnace into space

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I'm only YouTube-level informed on how silicon manufacturing works, but something that is, perhaps intentionally, not made clear to someone unfamiliar with the field is that this is not manufacturing chips in space. This is to grow the crystals only, the very first step in silicon chip manufacturing. This is how you get the ingot, then you slice it to get the wafers upon which the chips are built. The reason you woul…

>this is not manufacturing chips in space *crisps It's from the UK.

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Re: UK company sends factory with 1,000C furnace into space

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I'm only YouTube-level informed on how silicon manufacturing works, but something that is, perhaps intentionally, not made clear to someone unfamiliar with the field is that this is not manufacturing chips in space. This is to grow the crystals only, the very first step in silicon chip manufacturing. This is how you get the ingot, then you slice it to get the wafers upon which the chips are built. The reason you woul…

Do gravity-based defects outweigh displacement defects from fast particles? Also, there are large headwinds from having to ship up a large quantity of raw material and have to deorbit a payload so fragile that any amount of shock is unacceptable. Maybe a high purity silicon boule pays for these headwinds with room for profit on top. I'm skeptical, but time will tell.

It would be pretty easy for them to have done the math in advance and I’m sure they’re aware that space travel is expensive.

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post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>this is not manufacturing chips in space *crisps It's from the UK.

Chips are definitely a thing in the UK. Like French fries but usually chunkier: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fish_and_chips

Which is called Fish and Chips in Canada, even though it's served with fries.

Re: UK company sends factory with 1,000C furnace into space

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do gravity-based defects outweigh displacement defects from fast particles? Also, there are large headwinds from having to ship up a large quantity of raw material and have to deorbit a payload so fragile that any amount of shock is unacceptable. Maybe a high purity silicon boule pays for these headwinds with room for profit on top. I'm skeptical, but time will tell.

It would be pretty easy for them to have done the math in advance and I’m sure they’re aware that space travel is expensive.

I'm sure they've done the maths and determined that it's not economically feasible at all.

But if it works as a proof of concept, in three or four generations time perhaps they'll have a scalable process which pays for itself.

Re: UK company sends factory with 1,000C furnace into space

#40
Um... i see some red flags. This test to heat gasses in a furnace looks a little sus. It is basically a micowave oven ... in space!! My kitchen microwave can hit 1000c. Let styropyro at it and it could probably do 10,000c. Then i came across this gem on thier website.

>> Radiators facing cold space can freely produce temperatures near absolute zero for ultra-fast curing without the need for cryogenics.

https://www.spaceforge.com/

I dont see a path to a product. I see a company farming investment and government programs with overhyped "experiments" that have been already done many times. They even talk about testing a heat shield for reentry as if that tech is somehow new. Want to bring samples back? Send your microwave to the space station and bring them back like everyone else.

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