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Using AI generated images to get refunds

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Re: Using AI generated images to get refunds

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Post by intended »

avereveard wrote: post #13

every time I dig in this story is always stories of stories, and all walk backward to maybe one single merchant, which is just his word, with no police trail or court case trail or anything substantial, with news agency work over "examples and reconstruction of what might have happened" and no actual data that could be verified / falsified. is this something anyone has actually seen happen, or is it part of the AI hy…

I’ve heard that this was happening with food apps in India. I am waiting for when people realize how to fake prescriptions.

Re: Using AI generated images to get refunds

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Post by TrackerFF »

Seems easy enough to fix, by requiring the customer to bring back to purchased item. I mean, that's how it still works in the real world, at least where I live - if I purchase something from the grocery store, which turns out to be spoiled, I'll take the item back and get a refund.

Re: Using AI generated images to get refunds

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Post by immibis »

websiteapi wrote: post #22
gray_-_wolf wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Laws can change, sure, but probably business practices will change first, since it is easier. In EU, you are entitled to money refund for online purchased goods (with some caveats ofc), but the business can (and most do) require you to send the item back first, on your own expense. That reduces the risk of fraud like this.

hardly - go read up on eBay scams. it's never been easier to scam people online. all shipping the item do is force the scam buyer to make the defects so, which is why many if not most seller just pay the buyer partially to keep as-is

if you have to break the item and then send it back, what did you gain from the scam?

Re: Using AI generated images to get refunds

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Post by nojs »

gray_-_wolf wrote: post #18
exe34 wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

it will be implemented by chips-on-camera, that will tie you to a picture. it will be pushed forward by law enforcement ("think of the children!") and it will be great for profits. not so much for privacy.

Out of curiosity, what stops you from taking a photo of a AI generated picture?

The same thing that stops your phone’s Face ID working with a photo of a face, I suppose

Re: Using AI generated images to get refunds

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Post by stanac »

frenzcan wrote: post #19
maelito wrote: post #2

We absolutely need certified no-AI digital proofs.

This seems like such a tricky problem. There was a no-ai camera posted here recently which verified the photos were genuinely taken on the device. It was pointed out someone could photograph an ai image via the camera to produce a verified image. Maybe it needs to be similar to SSL certificates where trusted authorities can verify and revoke verification for digital assets.

I was thinking the same thing. Apple and Google can start (as tech companies) to add signatures to images. As long as private key doesn't leak we are good. And each manufacturer can have different cert issued by higher authority e.g. Google, so it can be revoked when it leaks. They could include digital camera manufacturers (sony, nicon, canon, ...) and define a standard. Signature can be a meta tag based on hash of the image.

This would limit authenticity to images taken by official software.

Re: Using AI generated images to get refunds

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Post by intended »

maelito wrote: post #2

We absolutely need certified no-AI digital proofs.

Wouldn’t it end up being some form of nuisance proof? Introducing friction to create verification check points or examine and establish the chain of evidence?

But that will only matter for highly legal things or important things. Everything else will be too much of a bother to follow information hygiene.

It’s like we’ve introduced an information weed, whose only goal is to create content that matches our dopamine receptors. Maybe our instincts will shift to assuming any shiny or eye catching content is fruit of the weed? Designed to attract us?

Re: Using AI generated images to get refunds

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Post by KellyCriterion »

During the dotcom-boom, I worked for SME IT shop;

Sometimes we asked for refund some stuff and my boss told me: "dont deliver them the original hardware, pick a cheap one from the stock and put it in the box"

This worked very often without any questions, so we just could keep the good stuff :-D

Re: Using AI generated images to get refunds

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Post by orbital-decay »

maelito wrote: post #2

We absolutely need certified no-AI digital proofs.

Of course. I already imagine an end-to-end hardware DRM pipeline where images can only be modified with the software made by "trusted" certified parties. Mandated by law and tied to your real ID, of course. Analog loophole can be dealt with later, first things first. /s

Re: Using AI generated images to get refunds

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Post by ACCount37 »

avereveard wrote: post #21
websiteapi wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

scamming to get refunds has always been a thing.

and that say nothing whether this is actually happening or not, what's your point?

That "whether this is actually happening or not" is not even a question worth asking.

No shit it's happening. Now, on what scale, and should we care?

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