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VSCode rebrands as "The open source AI code editor"

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Re: VSCode rebrands as "The open source AI code editor"

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It’s a rote observation at this point, but: there’s a clear discrepancy between the demonstrated value of LLMs (which is, to be clear, significant!) and the aggressive manner in which Microsoft has introduced them into their products. The latter is what you do when you can’t demonstrate value, and it produces worse outcomes by design (because it starts from the assumption that users need to be given the stick instead of the carrot).

There have been a lot of recent changes to VS Code that feel like this: the Copilot pane has been refactored to take up more space and behave less like other composed panes in the window; the integrated terminal now does overly clever and brittle things to introduce suggestions in REPLs like Python’s. Those kinds of changes have pushed me more to Zed recently, which has all of the same AI features but without the user hostility.

Re: VSCode rebrands as "The open source AI code editor"

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I love vscodium but more and more I worry about how Microsoft is effecting it down stream. To the point where I'm actively looking into making my own editor. I'm putting it off for now but I'll probably start playing around with Theia and Codemirror on the side just in case.

If I have to bet, I will absolutely go for MS enshitifying it beyond reasonable usability, in one way or another, more soon than later. Making an editor is anice endeavor. But there are plenty of, which are extremely well developed, open source, in many directions, emacs and vim the most prominent. But many others out there.

Emacs and Vim are terminal based though. So nice things like scroll bars, tabs, drag and drop etc. might be available as hacks but will disappoint in the ways in which they fail to work like a actual GUI interface. I'm also not a fan of model text editors.

For open source GUI text editors there sadly aren't many that match the feature and polish of vscode.

Re: VSCode rebrands as "The open source AI code editor"

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This is the bit that gives me pause: > In certain markets, we use conversation data to train the generative AI models in Copilot, unless you choose to opt-out of such training. "Build me a SaaS platform exactly like ____" If agents become as good at long running tasks as we're told they will do by giving Microsoft access to your codebase and inner business processes to give to anyone that wants to the ability to clon…

I wonder if Microsoft allows its own code to be scanned.

Probably not, that would significantly lower the training data quality for any future models

Re: VSCode rebrands as "The open source AI code editor"

#35
It does seem to me like Microsoft (and every other company developing AI models) is doing so at a loss, and a signifigant one.

Is the play here to get everyone hooked on AI and then jack up the price to make a profit?

If so, I worry about Junior devs in particular, who have never developed the skills to write software themselves, suddenly finding themselves being "cut off" from their AI dealer

Or people generally who outsource their thinking to AI, forget how to do things for themselves, and suddenly face a big bill!

Re: VSCode rebrands as "The open source AI code editor"

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This is the bit that gives me pause: > In certain markets, we use conversation data to train the generative AI models in Copilot, unless you choose to opt-out of such training. "Build me a SaaS platform exactly like ____" If agents become as good at long running tasks as we're told they will do by giving Microsoft access to your codebase and inner business processes to give to anyone that wants to the ability to clon…

At least they are clear about it: It's an editor for open-source AI code. It's not intended to be used for maintaining internal software projects.

Re: VSCode rebrands as "The open source AI code editor"

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It does seem to me like Microsoft (and every other company developing AI models) is doing so at a loss, and a signifigant one. Is the play here to get everyone hooked on AI and then jack up the price to make a profit? If so, I worry about Junior devs in particular, who have never developed the skills to write software themselves, suddenly finding themselves being "cut off" from their AI dealer Or people generally who…

I wouldn't call them "devs" if they can't write software.

Re: VSCode rebrands as "The open source AI code editor"

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post #35

It does seem to me like Microsoft (and every other company developing AI models) is doing so at a loss, and a signifigant one. Is the play here to get everyone hooked on AI and then jack up the price to make a profit? If so, I worry about Junior devs in particular, who have never developed the skills to write software themselves, suddenly finding themselves being "cut off" from their AI dealer Or people generally who…

I wouldn't call them "devs" if they can't write software.

well exactly

Re: VSCode rebrands as "The open source AI code editor"

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If I have to bet, I will absolutely go for MS enshitifying it beyond reasonable usability, in one way or another, more soon than later. Making an editor is anice endeavor. But there are plenty of, which are extremely well developed, open source, in many directions, emacs and vim the most prominent. But many others out there.

Emacs and Vim are terminal based though. So nice things like scroll bars, tabs, drag and drop etc. might be available as hacks but will disappoint in the ways in which they fail to work like a actual GUI interface. I'm also not a fan of model text editors. For open source GUI text editors there sadly aren't many that match the feature and polish of vscode.

Notepad++?

It’s been a while since I used it, but it’s one of the few things I miss on osx

Re: VSCode rebrands as "The open source AI code editor"

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post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If I have to bet, I will absolutely go for MS enshitifying it beyond reasonable usability, in one way or another, more soon than later. Making an editor is anice endeavor. But there are plenty of, which are extremely well developed, open source, in many directions, emacs and vim the most prominent. But many others out there.

Emacs and Vim are terminal based though. So nice things like scroll bars, tabs, drag and drop etc. might be available as hacks but will disappoint in the ways in which they fail to work like a actual GUI interface. I'm also not a fan of model text editors. For open source GUI text editors there sadly aren't many that match the feature and polish of vscode.

Emacs is not terminal based, though you can run emacs in a terminal if you want to.
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