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Microsoft denies rewriting Windows 11 in Rust using AI
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Re: Microsoft denies rewriting Windows 11 in Rust using AI
#32The simple fact that they have to deny it, meaning such an absurd is widely considered plausible, is already a sign of their reputation.
Gee whiz, what an interesting way of thinking. https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/aaaah
Re: Microsoft denies rewriting Windows 11 in Rust using AI
#33Earlier quoted context omitted.
There's a nearly incalculable difference between bumping a compiler version and rewriting it in a different language.
A C++ compiler translates C++ to an assembly. This project would translate C++ to another language. It's not that different of a concept.
Compilers are deterministic.
Re: Microsoft denies rewriting Windows 11 in Rust using AI
#34Earlier quoted context omitted.
My read was rewriting one million lines of code per engineer month using ML to do the heavy lifting. Which is absolutely batshit. There's no way that can be reviewed properly, even if it's putting all of the review work on all of the other teams.
What makes you think any existing recent code added to Windows has been reviewed by anyone? This is the company that broke the start menu and the login screen in two consecutive updates.
I've heard some inside stories from microsofties.
They do still review code, but the first wave of layoffs in 2022 mainly hit principal engineers and above because some bean counters said "oh, these are the engineers that are costing us the most per head", so it's kind of the inmates running the asylum now.
And I'll say that their biggest sin was always that their code from the late 90s on was about 20% too clever for their own good. Kind of goes to that classic quip about how how it takes twice your brain power to debug code as it takes to write it, so if you were already maxing out just writing it, then you're not smart enough to debug it. That's half of why features seemed to get a 1.0 release, then get replaced with something rather than iteratively improved (the other half being FAANG style internal incentive structures).
Were all seeing the effects of them clearing house of their weaponized autism that was barely keeping the wheels on the wagon. They do review, but they don't have the ability to do it properly at scale anymore. Which makes rewriting everything even more batshit.
Re: Microsoft denies rewriting Windows 11 in Rust using AI
#35Earlier quoted context omitted.
As a goal for 2030, it doesn’t seem that wild. Shoot for the moon
Rewriting Microsoft's 10s if not 100s of millions of lines of native code in four years doesn't sound that wild to you?
No? They will harness the power of AGI agents to rewrite everything in Rust. Sounds good to me.
Re: Microsoft denies rewriting Windows 11 in Rust using AI
#36Re: Microsoft denies rewriting Windows 11 in Rust using AI
#37I am sure why people are so terminally online to care about this. Like Rust for Linux is also here to stay and we can expect that in 10-20y a large portion of the kernel will be in Rust. Obviously the post was boasting, it was meant as a recruitment ad. They actually probably got a few decent candidates from it.
What makes it inevitable?
Good question, it’s not. You're responding to just another Rust and/or LLM fanatic claiming they can predict the future. Dime a dozen on this board.
Re: Microsoft denies rewriting Windows 11 in Rust using AI
#38Earlier quoted context omitted.
There's a nearly incalculable difference between bumping a compiler version and rewriting it in a different language.
A C++ compiler translates C++ to an assembly. This project would translate C++ to another language. It's not that different of a concept.
It’s significantly more straight forward to go from a higher level to a lower level representation than it is to go between different high level representations.
That’s not to trivialize what a compiler does, but it’s effectively going from a complex form to its building blocks while maintaining semantics.
Changing high level languages introduces fundamentally different semantics. Both can decompose to the same general building blocks, but you can’t necessarily compose them the same way.
At the simplest example, a compiler backend (the part you’re describing) can’t reason about data access rules. That is the domain of the language’s compiler frontend and a fundamental difference between C++ and Rust that can’t just be directly derived.
Re: Microsoft denies rewriting Windows 11 in Rust using AI
#39The simple fact that they have to deny it, meaning such an absurd is widely considered plausible, is already a sign of their reputation.
Nah. It's only a sign that people read way too much into random speculative Linkedin posts.
I don’t understand this view point. How is anyone reading ‘way too much’ into the post based on what’s being discussed in this thread. A senior engineer leading a team at Microsoft saying that his goal is to rewrite/replace all C and C++ code with Rust using AI to facilitate the work is plainly saying what the comments in this thread are reacting to. No onenis reading into the statement, just plain reading. And even though it’s been edited since attention got focused on it, the post still says a goal for his team is 1 engineer, 1 month, 1 million lines of code.
Further, this is not a random speculative post, it is an announcement for a job opening on the posters team.
Re: Microsoft denies rewriting Windows 11 in Rust using AI
#40Earlier quoted context omitted.
Rewriting Microsoft's 10s if not 100s of millions of lines of native code in four years doesn't sound that wild to you?
No? They will harness the power of AGI agents to rewrite everything in Rust. Sounds good to me.
> AGI
That thing we don't have yet?