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Librarians tired of being accused of hiding secret books that were made up by AI

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Re: Librarians tired of being accused of hiding secret books that were made up by AI

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Post by nkrisc »

khalic wrote: post #20

Ah Gizmodo, always the paragon of good journalism. The person has explicitly asked her tweets not be used in external websites, and of course this zombie tabloid doesn't give a damn

It’s a request, and requests may be denied or ignored.

If they cared, they wouldn’t post publicly or the service would not allow that message to embedded.

An enforceable request is called a “demand”, and unless you’re actually capable of enforcing it, it is in fact still just a request.

It would have been polite to honor the request, but they are under no obligation to do so.

Don’t make public posts if you don’t want them publicly displayed.

Re: Librarians tired of being accused of hiding secret books that were made up by AI

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Post by cl0ckt0wer »

nkrisc wrote: post #31
khalic wrote: post #20

Ah Gizmodo, always the paragon of good journalism. The person has explicitly asked her tweets not be used in external websites, and of course this zombie tabloid doesn't give a damn

It’s a request, and requests may be denied or ignored. If they cared, they wouldn’t post publicly or the service would not allow that message to embedded. An enforceable request is called a “demand”, and unless you’re actually capable of enforcing it, it is in fact still just a request. It would have been polite to honor the request, but they are under no obligation to do so. Don’t make public posts if you don’t want…

To paraphrase, you're not wrong, you're just a jerk.

Re: Librarians tired of being accused of hiding secret books that were made up by AI

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Post by nkrisc »

cl0ckt0wer wrote: post #33
nkrisc wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s a request, and requests may be denied or ignored. If they cared, they wouldn’t post publicly or the service would not allow that message to embedded. An enforceable request is called a “demand”, and unless you’re actually capable of enforcing it, it is in fact still just a request. It would have been polite to honor the request, but they are under no obligation to do so. Don’t make public posts if you don’t want…

To paraphrase, you're not wrong, you're just a jerk.

“Please don’t show people my public post” is an absurd request to make.

Why can the post even be embedded at all in this case? If Gizmodo was forced to screenshot it to circumvent that you might have a point.

Re: Librarians tired of being accused of hiding secret books that were made up by AI

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Post by kasey_junk »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #12
k310 wrote: post #6

I visited the local library (California foothills) during a “book sale”, and what didn’t sell was left out in boxes, either for cheap or free. What didn’t move was destined for the landfill. I was aghast, but without enough room to take in the strays. Real estate is unforgiving. I am in favor of “little free libraries” [0] where books circulate freely, and if they aren’t returned, hopefully are read and not destroyed…

> I am in favor of “little free libraries” Do these work for kids' books? Whenever I've seen them geared towards adults, the content is absolute crap.

It takes the right sort of library owner to curate the library and a community amenable to helping out. My wife runs our library and one thing she does is pulls out some books when the library is flush and puts them back in when it’s a little dry. But she works in the book industry so she also has a source of high quality books and knowledge about them.

She’s specifically a children’s book person, so we made sure our library could fit kids books (picture books are big). But many of the kits won’t.

We also live in a walkable college town. There are 5 libraries within 4 blocks of ours. Our neighbors take it upon themselves to clean up and donate. We came back from our Christmas break to someone having installed a motion activated light in the library!

So under the right conditions they work. But you know what works better? Professional librarians, with appropriate resources and facilities. But in all cases, free libraries, public libraries, research libraries, etc. deaccessioning is required so sad for the op, we throw books away.

Re: Librarians tired of being accused of hiding secret books that were made up by AI

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Post by kaffekaka »

CJefferson wrote: post #17
Guestmodinfo wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Judging books by their unborrowedness is like judging a youtube video's educational content by its view count. It's a bad reality created by the powers that be

Why have shelves full of books that haven’t been borrowed in 15 years? what benefit is that providing?

I once borrowed a book, to find a previous borrowers receipt in it, placed as a bookmark. Upon inspection it turned out that the previous borrower was myself(!) (I recognized the library card number), about ten years earlier.

So probably, no one had borrowed it in the time between. I was very happy the book had not been thrown out.

Re: Librarians tired of being accused of hiding secret books that were made up by AI

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Post by kachapopopow »

nkrisc wrote: post #34
cl0ckt0wer wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To paraphrase, you're not wrong, you're just a jerk.

“Please don’t show people my public post” is an absurd request to make. Why can the post even be embedded at all in this case? If Gizmodo was forced to screenshot it to circumvent that you might have a point.

just because something is public doesn't mean it should be shared with everyone, imagine you and your (ex: facebook group) have a nice spot near a public lake that you worked to clean up and even put a nice fireplace / furniture around it and then some tiktoker comes and says check out this amazing spot and now it's ruined.

Yes it's public, anyone outside the group can find and see it, but it's clearly meant to be enjoyed by the people who made it or/and happened to come across it by chance.

Re: Librarians tired of being accused of hiding secret books that were made up by AI

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Post by WillAdams »

A library which was known for having a "last policy" system in place, should not have this difficulty. I would further argue that any library should be willing to accept a copy of any book which they do not have and safely store it until someone wishes to borrow it. I'm still salty that I had to buy a copy of Glenn Reid's _Thinking in PostScript_ when a local library discarded it from their stacks (there are other books which I would check out semi-regularly which have also been discarded which I also need to purchase, but missed seeing on their "discarded" table or at the annual library sale).

Yes, this would require better funding, and yes, I regularly donate to my local library every year.

Re: Librarians tired of being accused of hiding secret books that were made up by AI

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Post by wccrawford »

k310 wrote: post #6

I visited the local library (California foothills) during a “book sale”, and what didn’t sell was left out in boxes, either for cheap or free. What didn’t move was destined for the landfill. I was aghast, but without enough room to take in the strays. Real estate is unforgiving. I am in favor of “little free libraries” [0] where books circulate freely, and if they aren’t returned, hopefully are read and not destroyed…

My wife runs one locally. She's pretty happy with it, but I have to bite my tongue when talking about it with her.

People frequently take all the good books, all at once, and don't return them.

Someone just emptied out half of it yesterday, and I don't even think they were picky. They just took a whole shelf of books.

It's such a crappy thing to do, and there's nothing that can be done to stop the bad actors.

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