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Re: The Going Dark initiative or ProtectEU is a Chat Control 3.0 attempt

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Post by timschmidt »

IlikeKitties wrote: post #21
ori_b wrote: post #17

Until people lobby for these privacy rights to be enshrined in law, this will continue to be a problem. Defeating one bad law isn't enough.

There are already MANY laws in the EU and Germany for me regarding privacy. All the proposals are blatantly illegal in Germany for example. Just recently our highest court declared large scale logging of DNS request as "very likely" illegal.

Similarly, the 4th amendment to the US Constitution reads in full:

"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."

"papers, and effects" seems to cover internet communications to me (the closest analog available to the authors being courier mail of messages written on paper), but the secret courts so far seem to have disagreed: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Foreign_Intellig...

Re: The Going Dark initiative or ProtectEU is a Chat Control 3.0 attempt

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Post by quantummagic »

IlikeKitties wrote: post #27
hkpack wrote: post #20

To be honest, I think VPN businesses and specifically politically charged ones like Mullvad is doing disservice for the security of the country and specifically EU in this case. I think the right course of action should be a political activism, not a technological one. Especially when the company doing it makes a fortune. The course, when one can just disengage from participating in society by sidestepping the proble…

> So instead of speaking from the high ground, please, tell us what your solution about mass disinformation happening from US social media megacorps, Russia mass disinformation, mass recruitment of people for sabotage on critical infrastructure. Education. Education. Education. The only thing that ever worked. is Education. Censorship and a total surveillance state aren't an option. Why bother protecting freedom and…

> Education. Education. Education.

The problem is that many of the most highly educated people are the ones fully supporting censorship in the fight against disinformation. Higher education has become a bastion of illiberal ideology.

Re: The Going Dark initiative or ProtectEU is a Chat Control 3.0 attempt

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Post by qotgalaxy »

quotemstr wrote: post #29
hkpack wrote: post #20

To be honest, I think VPN businesses and specifically politically charged ones like Mullvad is doing disservice for the security of the country and specifically EU in this case. I think the right course of action should be a political activism, not a technological one. Especially when the company doing it makes a fortune. The course, when one can just disengage from participating in society by sidestepping the proble…

In the history of humanity, it's never been the side attempting to restrict expression and the flow of information that's been in the right. You don't "solve" the spread of "disinformation" because it's not a real problem in the first place. What you call "disinformation" is merely an idea with which you disagree. It doesn't matter whether any idea comes from the west, from China, from Russia, or Satan's rectum: it s…

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Re: The Going Dark initiative or ProtectEU is a Chat Control 3.0 attempt

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Post by IlikeKitties »

hexbin010 wrote: post #26
IlikeKitties wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are already MANY laws in the EU and Germany for me regarding privacy. All the proposals are blatantly illegal in Germany for example. Just recently our highest court declared large scale logging of DNS request as "very likely" illegal.

> There are already MANY laws in the EU and Germany for me regarding privacy Which apply equally to the government?

Yeah, a lot of them apply explicitly to the government. In Germany at least most privacy laws flow from Article 10 of our constitution and for example Article 8 of the EU Charter of Fundamental Rights. Both of which have been used in the past to explicitly remove laws that violated privacy in the name of security.

Re: The Going Dark initiative or ProtectEU is a Chat Control 3.0 attempt

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Post by NewCzech »

ekjhgkejhgk wrote: post #13

Like, whos is pushing this shit? Who exactly is it that wants this? Which individuals?

How would you like your censorship wrapped? Anti-terrorism or protecting children?

https://starecat.com/content/wp-content/uploads/control-of-i...

Re: The Going Dark initiative or ProtectEU is a Chat Control 3.0 attempt

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Post by hdgvhicv »

holoduke wrote: post #7

I once liked the EU. Well still do it because of the east to travel without borders. But it's leadership is something dangerous and may shape to some form of dictatorship or entity that does not serve its people. But a small minority consisting out of some large companies.

The EU leadership is the leaders of the 27 sovereign countries

Now you can argue there is a democratic deficit in those countries, sure.

Re: The Going Dark initiative or ProtectEU is a Chat Control 3.0 attempt

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Post by hdgvhicv »

true_religion wrote: post #28
IlikeKitties wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Europe is preparing for the Russia invasion from one side, and betrayal by the US from the other. Let's assume for a moment that would be true. And let's also ignore the lack of a nuclear weapons in most EU countries. How does breaking encryption for normal people help? Spies and Operatives will just use PGP and ignore these laws, because that's what spies do.

Mind you I don’t believe this, but the logic is if encryption is banned, then anyone using it will be easier to find like spies. Before online encryption, spies still used code books but having one in your house was essentially proof you were a spy.

Didn’t spies just use common books like war and peace or the bible

Re: The Going Dark initiative or ProtectEU is a Chat Control 3.0 attempt

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Post by izacus »

holoduke wrote: post #7

I once liked the EU. Well still do it because of the east to travel without borders. But it's leadership is something dangerous and may shape to some form of dictatorship or entity that does not serve its people. But a small minority consisting out of some large companies.

This is a proposal from one wing of polititians that still hasn't even passed a basic voting process in EU parliament.

So what exactly are you screeching about? Which nation on this world has leadership that never proposes anything like this? Which one is 100% pure and noone even thinks about bad things to bring up to a vote?

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