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The post-GeForce era: What if Nvidia abandons PC gaming?

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Re: The post-GeForce era: What if Nvidia abandons PC gaming?

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Post by hyghjiyhu »

newsclues wrote: post #8
pjmlp wrote: post #7

It means people get to enjoy more indie games with good designs, instead of having FOMO for cool graphics without substance.

It means lots of people will give up the hobby. Let's be real, the twitch FPS CoD players aren't going to give that up and play a boring life simulator. This has the potential to harm a lot of businesses from hardware to software companies, and change the lives of millions of people.

Cod devs aren't stupid. They will design a game for the hardware their target market can get their hands on.

Re: The post-GeForce era: What if Nvidia abandons PC gaming?

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Post by _vqpz »

newsclues wrote: post #8
pjmlp wrote: post #7

It means people get to enjoy more indie games with good designs, instead of having FOMO for cool graphics without substance.

It means lots of people will give up the hobby. Let's be real, the twitch FPS CoD players aren't going to give that up and play a boring life simulator. This has the potential to harm a lot of businesses from hardware to software companies, and change the lives of millions of people.

Most CoD players are on console or mobile, not PC

Re: The post-GeForce era: What if Nvidia abandons PC gaming?

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Post by sombragris »

I doubt that this would ever happen. But...

If it does, I think it would be a good thing.

The reason is that it would finally motivate game developers to be more realistic in their minimum hardware requirements, enabling games to be playable on onboard GPUs.

Right now, most recent games (for example, many games built on Unreal Engine 5) are unplayable on onboard GPUs. Game and engine devs simply don't bother anymore to optimize for the low end and thus they end up gatekeeping games and excluding millions of devices because for recent games, a discrete GPU is required even for the lowest settings.

Re: The post-GeForce era: What if Nvidia abandons PC gaming?

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Post by acheron »

jaapz wrote: post #12

AMD will be very happy when they do. They are already making great cards, currently running an RX7800XT (or something like that), and it's amazing. Linux support is great too

I got an.. AMD (even today I still almost say “ATI” every time) RX6600 XT I think, a couple years ago? It’s been great. I switched over to Linux back in the spring and yes the compatibility has been fine and caused no issues. Still amazed I can run “AAA” games, published by Microsoft even, under Linux.

Re: The post-GeForce era: What if Nvidia abandons PC gaming?

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Post by acheron »

newsclues wrote: post #19
A4ET8a8uTh0_v2 wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Huh? No? It means that the overall platform is already at 'good enough' level. There can always be an improvement, but in terms of pure visuals, we are already past at a point, where some studios choose simple representations ( see some 2d platformers ) as a stylistic choice. It gonna be ok.

My pc is good enough for now but it’s years old and when it dies, then what? You want me to give up gaming and start hanging out at your local bar?

Why would nvidia not making gaming cards make you “give up gaming”?

Re: The post-GeForce era: What if Nvidia abandons PC gaming?

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Post by deaux »

jonway wrote: post #9
newsclues wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It means lots of people will give up the hobby. Let's be real, the twitch FPS CoD players aren't going to give that up and play a boring life simulator. This has the potential to harm a lot of businesses from hardware to software companies, and change the lives of millions of people.

That doesn't sem very plausible, how many people are driven away from CounterStrike or like League of Legends because the graphics weren't as good as Cyberpunk or whatever? Theres a LOT of games that compete with AAA-massive-budget games on aggregate like Dwarf Fortress, CS, League, Fortnite, people are still playing arma 2, dayz, rust, etc Rainbow Six: Siege still has adherents and even cash-payout tournaments. EvE:…

I wonder if all the games you named combined surpass what Mihoyo makes off the likes of Genshin Impact.

Re: The post-GeForce era: What if Nvidia abandons PC gaming?

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Post by coldtea »

newsclues wrote: post #17
coldtea wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It means lots of people will give up the hobby. Oh, we can only hope! > This has the potential to harm a lot of businesses from hardware to software companies, and change the lives of millions of people. Including millions of gamers, but for the better.

You hate gamers? Why? Why can’t you let people enjoy their hobby?

For the same reason I don't like alcoholism or meth use or gambling or porn addiction, even when the person "enjoys them".

Re: The post-GeForce era: What if Nvidia abandons PC gaming?

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Post by coldtea »

ulrashida wrote: post #29
coldtea wrote: post #15

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I was tempted to respond with an offhand comment about the size of the industry or similar, but what axe do you have to grind about PC gaming? You'd prefer folks go to the far more injurious mobile gaming space?

>You'd prefer folks go to the far more injurious mobile gaming space?

No, I prefer them touching grass and talking to some people, or getting a less addictive and time-wasting hobby.

Re: The post-GeForce era: What if Nvidia abandons PC gaming?

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Post by newsclues »

A4ET8a8uTh0_v2 wrote: post #24
newsclues wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My pc is good enough for now but it’s years old and when it dies, then what? You want me to give up gaming and start hanging out at your local bar?

It is not a question of want. Gaming will exist in some form so I am simply uncertain what you are concerned about. Can you elaborate a little? What, exactly, is your concern here? That you won't have nvidia as a choice? That AMD will be the only game in town? That gpu market will move from duopoly ( for gaming specifically ) to monopoly? I have little to go on, but I don't really want to put words in your mouth base…

I want a local gaming machine that I control.

Not a locked ecosystem console or a streaming service with lag!

I think if nvidia leaves the market for AI, why wouldn’t AMD and intel, with the memory cartel. So DIY market is gone. That kills lots of companies and creators that rely on the gaming market.

It’s a doom spiral for a lot of the industry. If gaming is just PlayStation and switch and iGPUs there is a lot less innovation in pushing graphics.

It will kill the hobby.

Re: The post-GeForce era: What if Nvidia abandons PC gaming?

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Post by jsheard »

fxtentacle wrote: post #27

I don’t think they can. NVIDIA, like everyone else on a bleeding edge node, has hardware defects. The chance goes up massively with large chips like modern GPUs. So you try to produce B200 cores but some compute units are faulty. You fuse them off and now the chip is a GP102 gaming GPU. The gaming market allows NVIDIA to still sell partially defective chips. There’s no reason to stop doing that. It would only reduce…

You can't turn a GB200 into a GB202 (which I assume is what you meant since GP102 is from 2016), they are completely different designs. That kind of salvage happens between variants of the same design, for example the RTX Pro 6000 and RTX 5090 both use GB202 in different configurations, and chips which don't make the cut for the former get used for the latter.
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