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Brown/MIT shooting suspect found dead, officials say

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Re: Brown/MIT shooting suspect found dead, officials say

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I live in the area. Crazy how many helicopters and drones showed up so quick and how many police there were. For several hours more and more police and FBI vehicles kept arriving. Probably ended up with close to 100 officers on scene. Salem NH PD, Methuen MA PD, Providence RI PD, NH state police, MA state police, FBI, and US Marshal service were the ones I saw. I think it's the biggest response I've personally seen s…

all of that and they basically just got lucky. the guy walked to brown from his car parked nearby and shot up some kids, waited days, went to a guy's house in Massachusetts, killed him and never even got caught - he committed suicide and was only found days after his second killing if anything this whole saga makes me happy smart people aren't killers more often because this guy basically got away...

I keep seeing this sort of sentiment everywhere and I'm trying to understand it. The same thing happened after Charlie Kirk was killed and the arrest there hinged on a confession by the killer to his dad. A lot of commentary then that the police/FBI got lucky. Ditto Mangione. They got lucky he was found in a random McDonalds.

What exactly is the expectation here? Is there some sort of wide-spread belief that the world works like an episode of Law and Order and every crime is instantly solved by rolling up your sleeves and doing good old fashioned detective work?

Would assume for the majority of planned murder to be resolved as quickly as these highly publicized cases have been (the Kirk deal took about 2 days also) there's going to have to be an element of luck. Piecing together digital/forensic evidence is going to require time and effort. If it's not an obvious connection (domestic violence etc.) and there's no direct witnesses it seems logical you only have a few outcomes:

A) Going to be solved due to a lucky break

B) Going to be solved after a ton of time/interviews/piecing together forensic evidence

C) Not be solved.

Also he only "got away" because he killed himself. They likely would have caught him fairly soon after this because they had his identity from the car tags. I guess the point is though luck is all you have if it's solved this quickly because it's so random.

Re: Brown/MIT shooting suspect found dead, officials say

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The thing that bothers me about the whole story, apart from the deaths of course, is that we live in a surveillance state. While I want major crimes to be resolved and there to be deterrents to future ones, I just don't know about turning the whole US into East Germany. It's not going to work out well for any of us. As you can see, it didn't help solve the crimes, either. It was witnesses who did all the heavy lifting here.

Re: Brown/MIT shooting suspect found dead, officials say

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post #5

> John posted about the encounter on Reddit after the shooting Anyone have the Reddit link? (I wonder why the article doesn't include it)

This is admittedly very tangential only, but as a non-native speaker / not a US-American, I found this sentence from the NYT reporting[0] a bit confusing: > John said that the suspect’s clothing was inappropriate for the weather and that they had made eye contact. Why is the report mentioning the eye contact? Is that culturally significant, as in, in the US you don’t normally do eye contact with strangers, and if a s…

I suppose that made eye contact = the face was clearly visible for a second or two, and thus recognized with more certainty.

Re: Brown/MIT shooting suspect found dead, officials say

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post #2

I live in the area. Crazy how many helicopters and drones showed up so quick and how many police there were. For several hours more and more police and FBI vehicles kept arriving. Probably ended up with close to 100 officers on scene. Salem NH PD, Methuen MA PD, Providence RI PD, NH state police, MA state police, FBI, and US Marshal service were the ones I saw. I think it's the biggest response I've personally seen s…

all of that and they basically just got lucky. the guy walked to brown from his car parked nearby and shot up some kids, waited days, went to a guy's house in Massachusetts, killed him and never even got caught - he committed suicide and was only found days after his second killing if anything this whole saga makes me happy smart people aren't killers more often because this guy basically got away...

But they found him? If he was alive, he probably would have been caught eventually, no?

Re: Brown/MIT shooting suspect found dead, officials say

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

all of that and they basically just got lucky. the guy walked to brown from his car parked nearby and shot up some kids, waited days, went to a guy's house in Massachusetts, killed him and never even got caught - he committed suicide and was only found days after his second killing if anything this whole saga makes me happy smart people aren't killers more often because this guy basically got away...

I keep seeing this sort of sentiment everywhere and I'm trying to understand it. The same thing happened after Charlie Kirk was killed and the arrest there hinged on a confession by the killer to his dad. A lot of commentary then that the police/FBI got lucky. Ditto Mangione. They got lucky he was found in a random McDonalds. What exactly is the expectation here? Is there some sort of wide-spread belief that the worl…

I believe the theory that Mangione even wanted to be caught and arrested because he didn't see a viable life for himself anymore with his spinal problems and medical bills. Who social engineers their way into getting a CEO's itinerary and then keeps a manifesto on their person well after the crime

Now he doesn't have to worry about paying for that. Or getting reasonable treatment but hey,

Re: Brown/MIT shooting suspect found dead, officials say

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post #2

I live in the area. Crazy how many helicopters and drones showed up so quick and how many police there were. For several hours more and more police and FBI vehicles kept arriving. Probably ended up with close to 100 officers on scene. Salem NH PD, Methuen MA PD, Providence RI PD, NH state police, MA state police, FBI, and US Marshal service were the ones I saw. I think it's the biggest response I've personally seen s…

all of that and they basically just got lucky. the guy walked to brown from his car parked nearby and shot up some kids, waited days, went to a guy's house in Massachusetts, killed him and never even got caught - he committed suicide and was only found days after his second killing if anything this whole saga makes me happy smart people aren't killers more often because this guy basically got away...

"this guy basically got away"

Titanic basically sailed safely across the Atlantic, except for a bit of bad luck.

Re: Brown/MIT shooting suspect found dead, officials say

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

all of that and they basically just got lucky. the guy walked to brown from his car parked nearby and shot up some kids, waited days, went to a guy's house in Massachusetts, killed him and never even got caught - he committed suicide and was only found days after his second killing if anything this whole saga makes me happy smart people aren't killers more often because this guy basically got away...

I keep seeing this sort of sentiment everywhere and I'm trying to understand it. The same thing happened after Charlie Kirk was killed and the arrest there hinged on a confession by the killer to his dad. A lot of commentary then that the police/FBI got lucky. Ditto Mangione. They got lucky he was found in a random McDonalds. What exactly is the expectation here? Is there some sort of wide-spread belief that the worl…

I disagree that his catching was inevitable. They only knew an identity yesterday. If the suspect wasn’t a coward it’s plausible they could’ve just driven away to literally any other part of the United States and then flew back to Portugal. I have no comment on the Kirk case.

As for the expectation, other than if civil liberties are going to be violated in the name of safety I expect much faster results, and I’m sure the MIT professors family would agree.

Re: Brown/MIT shooting suspect found dead, officials say

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post #10

sadly flock ended up being helpful here (according to the police per the article). also interesting that it was some random homeless guy who happened to be there that blew the whole thing wide open. despite all of the surveillance...

Was it helpful? The man committed two shootings and they caught him after he committed suicide. It didn't prevent a crime.

It connected the two incidents per license plate readings per the article. Why do you think it wasn’t?

Re: Brown/MIT shooting suspect found dead, officials say

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post #10

sadly flock ended up being helpful here (according to the police per the article). also interesting that it was some random homeless guy who happened to be there that blew the whole thing wide open. despite all of the surveillance...

Was it helpful? The man committed two shootings and they caught him after he committed suicide. It didn't prevent a crime.

Who ever credibly claims that cameras prevent crime though?

Re: Brown/MIT shooting suspect found dead, officials say

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sadly flock ended up being helpful here (according to the police per the article). also interesting that it was some random homeless guy who happened to be there that blew the whole thing wide open. despite all of the surveillance...

How can you not read this and just see it's a huge puff piece for Flock. As far as I can read from the first article and reports they were not pivotal in tracking down the killer. It was once again only someone else who knew that person and came forward, exactly the same as Tyler Robison case "Phil Helsel Rhode Island Attorney General Peter Neronha said a person who had information about the suspect played a crucial…

The police state in the article it was helpful in linking the crimes. What evidence do you have to contradict their testimony?
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