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Why do commercial spaces sit vacant?

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Re: Why do commercial spaces sit vacant?

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One "Simple Fix" for cities, albeit with limited scope: Force your Planning Commission, Zoning Board, etc. to keep track of the vacancy rates for commercial space. Then use their powers to strongly discourage the construction of yet more vacant commercial space. And/or renovation of such space to other uses. EDIT: - Please do not assume some trivial straw-man implementation of this idea. That includes City organizati…

No, Just Tax Land (TM)

Re: Why do commercial spaces sit vacant?

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We need land value tax bad [1] In Los Angeles I’ve watched business after business close because their rent was increased by their commercial landlord only for the property to sit vacant in some cases (no exaggeration) for over 5 years! Thats absurd. Also as a business owner who would like some space to work out of your only options are endless swaths of vacant industrial buildings that are tens of thousands in rent…

How does land value tax change the scenario in the article? It plays out exactly the same way with and without land value tax.

Re: Why do commercial spaces sit vacant?

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Interesting, but It doesn't answer why a bank would hold a completely vacant building for 15 years. I think we need Vacancy taxes that go up based on the percentage of time vacant over different spans of time. Anything that makes owning an empty building a bad investment in all circumstances. This needs to apply to all units in a multitenant building.

  why a bank would hold a completely vacant building for 15 years.
Allows for inflated valuations and hypotheticals which appear on paper as absolute but in reality are much lower.

By leasing for cheaper they effectively capitulate and sell at a loss which will hammer their funding ability. It's land speculation similar to tech speculation. Inflate valuations, get a longer runway from lenders, etc.

At some point it has to come back to reality, but as the saying goes: "The market (land owners) can remain irrational longer than you (businesses) can remain solvent."

Re: Why do commercial spaces sit vacant?

#34

We need land value tax bad [1] In Los Angeles I’ve watched business after business close because their rent was increased by their commercial landlord only for the property to sit vacant in some cases (no exaggeration) for over 5 years! Thats absurd. Also as a business owner who would like some space to work out of your only options are endless swaths of vacant industrial buildings that are tens of thousands in rent…

The article points that adding any more costs just costs the operator money and won't change their behavior unless the costs are so high that the bank is forced to foreclose. Maybe on some that level that is a good thing and clears the market but in the current situation the banks just won't make loans unless this happens. It makes me think of the "poker game" model of nuclear power plant construction where the vendo…

Yes, the idea of a land value tax is to make it high enough to for banks to foreclose. The entire thing is about making sure land is used on the most socially benefiting way possible.

Re: Why do commercial spaces sit vacant?

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post #3

One "Simple Fix" for cities, albeit with limited scope: Force your Planning Commission, Zoning Board, etc. to keep track of the vacancy rates for commercial space. Then use their powers to strongly discourage the construction of yet more vacant commercial space. And/or renovation of such space to other uses. EDIT: - Please do not assume some trivial straw-man implementation of this idea. That includes City organizati…

Just charge a fine for poorly maintained space that degrades the community. They do this for homeowners.

Re: Why do commercial spaces sit vacant?

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> a building is not a building but a financial product. Are we cooked chat?

Your house and the 30-year fixed-rate mortgage on it is a financial product too, and a fairly complex and risky one at that. This fact is just well-hidden from you by nested layers of government subsidies.

There is basically no way for real estate to not be a complex financial product, because almost no one can pay cash-up-front for it. If it wasn't financialized, nobody could ever afford to own anything and we'd all be feudal serfs renting from a couple landlords.

Re: Why do commercial spaces sit vacant?

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We need land value tax bad [1] In Los Angeles I’ve watched business after business close because their rent was increased by their commercial landlord only for the property to sit vacant in some cases (no exaggeration) for over 5 years! Thats absurd. Also as a business owner who would like some space to work out of your only options are endless swaths of vacant industrial buildings that are tens of thousands in rent…

And I don't even think it is controversial. People who squat on needed resources without using them are a drain on society, thus society should try to create an incentive structure for using spaces. A tax can be part of this.

Re: Why do commercial spaces sit vacant?

#39

We need land value tax bad [1] In Los Angeles I’ve watched business after business close because their rent was increased by their commercial landlord only for the property to sit vacant in some cases (no exaggeration) for over 5 years! Thats absurd. Also as a business owner who would like some space to work out of your only options are endless swaths of vacant industrial buildings that are tens of thousands in rent…

True. What I don’t get, is how is vacancy a good move for the landlord? Wouldn’t it make more sense to have a tenant during that time?

Re: Why do commercial spaces sit vacant?

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This doesn't make sense to me, why is lowering rent by 30% any more "proof" that the building is not worth what's stated on the bill than having a 30% vacancy rate at the expected value? Aren't both subject to the same "market conditions" argument?

I think the argument is that the building was able to generate such income stream, in this case the stream comes from the owner. The owner is betting the investment will pay-off at some point, so is taking temporary loses (you could say that the owner is paying the rent for the vacant places).
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