Steve Jobs pitched PWAs way back when, I don't know why all we've gotten is a half-baked solution from Apple other than they want you in their App Store with a native app.
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#32I'll go a step farther. iOS is the only mobile OS that restricts PWA's and I think they do it on purpose to force you out of PWAs and into native apps. I think Apple should 100% support PWAs with no shenanigans, they should work 100% without Apple needing to approve of anything too. Steve Jobs pitched PWAs way back when, I don't know why all we've gotten is a half-baked solution from Apple other than they want you in…
Re: Devs say Apple still flouting EU's Digital Markets Act six months on
#33Give people an inch and they will want a mile. I hope Apple resists these bullies who feel entitled to use all the hardwork Apple put into building their platform.
Re: Devs say Apple still flouting EU's Digital Markets Act six months on
#34I'll go a step farther. iOS is the only mobile OS that restricts PWA's and I think they do it on purpose to force you out of PWAs and into native apps. I think Apple should 100% support PWAs with no shenanigans, they should work 100% without Apple needing to approve of anything too. Steve Jobs pitched PWAs way back when, I don't know why all we've gotten is a half-baked solution from Apple other than they want you in…
Where "support PWA" and "no shenanigans" are which of the ever shifting sets of APIs?
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#35Earlier quoted context omitted.
What recourse do you have if the app store review process finds "issues" with your app that are "obviously unrelated" to your payment setup but seemingly can't be resolved after multiple review iterations? It seems like the app store review process is designed to be opaque enough to ensure Apple gets their way in their sandbox, regardless of judicial ruling. In my experience, the review process is wildly inconsistent…
I know Netflix, Amazon’s Kindle app and DuoLingo have outside links. Apple and Amazon made a deal years ago where you can buy digital videos within Amazon Prime Video using your Amazon account. But let’s be real, the only apps making money directly from in app purchases are pay to win games. It came out in Apple vs Epic that 90% of App Store revenue comes from games. The other companies making money are mostly sellin…
Why can't those services show a link in their app to their page without Apple claiming it's owed 27% of the sale?
Re: Devs say Apple still flouting EU's Digital Markets Act six months on
#36Give people an inch and they will want a mile. I hope Apple resists these bullies who feel entitled to use all the hardwork Apple put into building their platform.
Re: Devs say Apple still flouting EU's Digital Markets Act six months on
#37Earlier quoted context omitted.
I know Netflix, Amazon’s Kindle app and DuoLingo have outside links. Apple and Amazon made a deal years ago where you can buy digital videos within Amazon Prime Video using your Amazon account. But let’s be real, the only apps making money directly from in app purchases are pay to win games. It came out in Apple vs Epic that 90% of App Store revenue comes from games. The other companies making money are mostly sellin…
> that you can use one subscription anywhere and have always been paying outside of the App Store. Why can't those services show a link in their app to their page without Apple claiming it's owed 27% of the sale?
Even in the store, Apple charges 15% if your revenue is below $1 million and charges 15% for renewals after the first year.
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#38All the while Android users - or at least those on the Samsung Galaxy sub-ecosystem - are happily downloading free, as in open source, software from alternative sources like F-Droid ( https://f-droid.org/ ), Obtainium ( https://obtainium.imranr.dev/ ), Accrescent ( https://accrescent.app/ ), and even can access the main app store through a more privacy friendly way using Aurora ( https://auroraoss.com/ ) - although w…
More serious problems blocking a transition to Android: instead of developing Health Connect in 2015 or before when Apple made HealthKit, Android waited until the mid-2020s, and many apps do not support it. And the implementation is busted if you use multiple devices. Meanwhile on iOS, I have a perfect database of all my health information going back years, and all the apps interpolate nicely - my nutrition tracking app can see my exercise and blood glucose, my glucose tracking app can show exercise on the timeline, my training readiness app can read my sleep data and HRV/RHR from the watch.
And as far as I know Android still doesn’t have Focus Modes, which I rely on to customize my phone and watch. It works really well, integrates with apps, and is easily automatable.
[1]: edit - I thought this was old news, from years ago, but it turns out Android not being able to make emergency calls is an evergreen story. At one point it was Teams’ fault [2] - can you imagine that? Teams being so bad it can block your phone from calling 911? But really it’s android’s fault such a thing is possible. https://www.androidpolice.com/google-pixels-most-dangerous-b... [2]: https://medium.com/@mmrahman123/how-a-bug-in-android-and-mic...
Re: Devs say Apple still flouting EU's Digital Markets Act six months on
#39Apple told the European Commission it would roll out the new terms in January 2026. This letter is saying that the uncertainty leading up to January 2026 is causing damage and not in concordance with the European Commission finding in August 2025. Do I understand that right? Did the European Commission agree to the January 2026 deadline or not? Have they been working internally behind the scenes with Apple or are the…
The April 2025 non-compliance decision the app devs reference is regarding the DMA anti-steering provisions (Article 5(4)). This decision was that Apple failed to meet their compliance obligations that were specified way back in June 2024, that they would be subject to a fine, and that they would have 60 days to comply before being subject to periodic fines [1].
The Coalition for App Fairness is saying that they don't believe Apple's App Store anti-steering remediation is compliant or timely and that the EU needs to take further action.
[1] https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_25_...
Re: Devs say Apple still flouting EU's Digital Markets Act six months on
#40Earlier quoted context omitted.
What recourse do you have if the app store review process finds "issues" with your app that are "obviously unrelated" to your payment setup but seemingly can't be resolved after multiple review iterations? It seems like the app store review process is designed to be opaque enough to ensure Apple gets their way in their sandbox, regardless of judicial ruling. In my experience, the review process is wildly inconsistent…
I know Netflix, Amazon’s Kindle app and DuoLingo have outside links. Apple and Amazon made a deal years ago where you can buy digital videos within Amazon Prime Video using your Amazon account. But let’s be real, the only apps making money directly from in app purchases are pay to win games. It came out in Apple vs Epic that 90% of App Store revenue comes from games. The other companies making money are mostly sellin…
But is that the chicken or the egg? Is it that surprising that when such an oppressively large margin is being extracted, the primary survivors are the things that are themselves scams? Normal businesses typically don't have 30% margins to begin with, much less have that much to spare for a extractive middleman.