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Re: Umbrel – Personal Cloud

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Post by jazzyjackson »

kingkongjaffa wrote: post #24

Can it really run local LLMs at any decent size? I find it hard to believe for the price it can run anything more than 7b or 8b models slowly.

Wow that's wild that they advertise "Run Deepseek-R1 locally" when the screenshot in the app store refers to "DeepSeek-R1-0528-Qwen3-8B"

Re: Umbrel – Personal Cloud

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Post by catapart »

pedrozieg wrote: post #29
catapart wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sorry, isn't this running an open-source OS? The header has a link to a github with a non-commercial license[0]. If so, couldn't you just use the OS on non-premium-priced mini-PC hardware and never have to worry about them locking you out of your box? I guess maybe it's concerning if you're being forced to update by the OS? I've never actually run a system like that, but was considering umbrel OS (didn't actually kno…

I’m not worried about “can I, personally, keep this thing running?” so much as “what is the long-term story for the kind of person who buys a turnkey appliance”. Yes, Umbrel OS is on GitHub and you can already run it on generic NUCs / Pi etc. That’s great. But the value prop of the hardware is the whole bundle: curated apps, painless updates, maybe remote access, maybe backups. If Umbrel-the-company pivots or withers…

Ah, okay, yeah, I get you now. I could get behind a splashy section about how users can "walk away at any time" with a roadmap that seems reasonable. I think that fits in with the general ethos of what these things should offer to consumers. I can certainly see why a company wouldn't be keen to advertise "if we die, here's what you can do.", but a way to tell consumers how to gracefully exit doesn't seem so antithetical to a marketing plan, and personally, knowing they've given me an off-ramp does make me more likely to use a thing.

Re: Umbrel – Personal Cloud

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Post by avazhi »

Ok, and what do I do when these guys go out of business/get bought by Amazon/microsoft/whatever in 3 or 5 years? Like, the game’s up with this cloud stuff, surely. None of it is to be trusted.

Re: Umbrel – Personal Cloud

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Post by kevinak »

nikolay wrote: post #35

Last time I looked at it it had some craptocurrecy stuff, which lost me as a user.

It very much came from the Bitcoin world and was sold as a way to run your own node. Great experience if you’re into that but it’s nothing that is forced on you, they’re just “apps” like everything else you can install on it.

Re: Umbrel – Personal Cloud

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Post by mkoubaa »

fidotron wrote: post #9

There's room for innovation in this space, but making a viable business here will be hard. The enthusiast market is so wrapped up in Home Assistant and existing NAS boxes that you would need a killer app to aim first for more normie use. It looks like they tried being a crypto node at home solution and are now pivoting to be more general.

I think I have a killer app for normie use. Do you have technical experience with these?
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