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Ensuring a National Policy Framework for Artificial Intelligence

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Re: Ensuring a National Policy Framework for Artificial Intelligence

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Post by CPLX »

andsoitis wrote: post #2

White House AI czar and Silicon Valley venture capitalist David Sacks elaborated on the rationale for the executive order in a post on X. Sacks argued that this domain of “interstate commerce” was “the type of economic activity that the Framers of the Constitution intended to reserve for the federal government to regulate.” At the Oval Office signing ceremony, Sacks said, "We have 50 states running in 50 different di…

> Sacks argued that this domain of “interstate commerce” was “the type of economic activity that the Framers of the Constitution intended to reserve for the federal government to regulate.”

They did indeed. It’s explicitly delegated to congress which declined to pass a law like this.

The EO is just obviously null and void in the face of any relevant state law.

Re: Ensuring a National Policy Framework for Artificial Intelligence

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Post by LPisGood »

throw0101a wrote: post #8

Executive order (EO) count over the last few presidents: * Bush (41): 166 * Clinton (two terms): 364 * Bush (43; two terms): 291 * Obama (two terms): 276 * Trump (45): 220 * Biden: 162 * Trump (47; Source: * https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/statistics/data/executive-or... Someone commented that (one of?) the reason that Trump is using EOs so much is probably because is not willing (or able) to actually get deals on in…

I once heard it said that Trump governs like a dictator because he is too weak to govern like a president. He is extremely unpopular and his party holds one of the smallest house majorities ever.

Re: Ensuring a National Policy Framework for Artificial Intelligence

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Post by rubyfan »

Is it me or does this seem like naked corruption at its worst? These tech CEOs hang out at the White House and donate to superfluous causes and suddenly the executive is protecting their interests. This does nothing to protect working US citizens from AI alien (agents) coming to take their jobs and displace their incomes.

Re: Ensuring a National Policy Framework for Artificial Intelligence

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Post by estimator7292 »

janalsncm wrote: post #29
scythmic_waves wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yep. I punch literally everyone I meet in the face. I have the power to do it. Why would I not?

Is assaulting people going further your goals? Presumably EOs further the President’s goals.

Many of those goals are to simply hurt the "wrong" type of people.

Re: Ensuring a National Policy Framework for Artificial Intelligence

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Post by duskwuff »

schmidtleonard wrote: post #30
TimorousBestie wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Could you be more specific?

He probably means the civil war. I'd like to point out that the South was only a fan of States Rights exactly insofar as they let them do slavery. The millisecond it came to forcing Northern states to return escaped slaves, they suddenly weren't the same principled supporters of devolving and federating power. Funny how that works.

And just in case it wasn't clear enough already: one of the first acts of the Confederacy was to draft a provisional constitution which explicitly authorized slavery, and which prohibited either Congress or any state from passing laws to the contrary.

Re: Ensuring a National Policy Framework for Artificial Intelligence

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Post by Alupis »

LPisGood wrote: post #32
throw0101a wrote: post #8

Executive order (EO) count over the last few presidents: * Bush (41): 166 * Clinton (two terms): 364 * Bush (43; two terms): 291 * Obama (two terms): 276 * Trump (45): 220 * Biden: 162 * Trump (47; Source: * https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/statistics/data/executive-or... Someone commented that (one of?) the reason that Trump is using EOs so much is probably because is not willing (or able) to actually get deals on in…

I once heard it said that Trump governs like a dictator because he is too weak to govern like a president. He is extremely unpopular and his party holds one of the smallest house majorities ever.

There is a very vocal opposition to Trump. However, by almost any way you can present "popularity" of a president - be it approval ratings, polling figures, popular vote, electoral vote, etc. - he is one of the more popular presidents in US history.

It's easy to get caught in an echo chamber of like-minded individuals and assume everyone disagrees with his policies - but that is far from reality.

Re: Ensuring a National Policy Framework for Artificial Intelligence

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Post by rubyfan »

jandrewrogers wrote: post #28
andsoitis wrote: post #2

White House AI czar and Silicon Valley venture capitalist David Sacks elaborated on the rationale for the executive order in a post on X. Sacks argued that this domain of “interstate commerce” was “the type of economic activity that the Framers of the Constitution intended to reserve for the federal government to regulate.” At the Oval Office signing ceremony, Sacks said, "We have 50 states running in 50 different di…

Wickard v Filburn rearing its ugly ahead again. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wickard_v._Filburn

I’m not a legal scholar but this seems pretty bone headed.

Re: Ensuring a National Policy Framework for Artificial Intelligence

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Post by alwa »

dav- wrote: post #35
treetalker wrote: post #5

Federal Preemption: A Legal Primer — https://www.congress.gov/crs-product/R45825

What does this have to do with executive orders?

I imagine it’s a nod to the way the stated goal would normally be pursued, but in this case is not.

It sounds like a good idea to establish a uniform national policy! And the federal government can do that (although only for the very specific purposes spelled out in the Constitution). The right way to do that is to pass a law through both houses of Congress, and the president to sign it into law. Maybe the law even specifies a broad framework and authorizes the executive branch to dial in the specific details (although the court seems to be souring on that kind of thing too).

The god-king proclaiming a brand new framework governing a major new sector of the economy To Be So is.. not the normal way

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