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$27,000 a Year for Health Insurance. How Can We Afford That?

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The affordable care act doubled most people's insurance over night (This happened to me and almost everyone I know). Nobody wants to mention this, because it makes their side look bad. Until we can admit where there are problems, there will never be a solution.

Did not change my rates a bit. And it gave me a fallback plan if I lost my job or something.

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The affordable care act doubled most people's insurance over night (This happened to me and almost everyone I know). Nobody wants to mention this, because it makes their side look bad. Until we can admit where there are problems, there will never be a solution.

The two times I did not have employer sponsored health care AND $0 income, the ACA plans were more expensive than getting a plan directly from the insurance company. It never costed me $27,000 though. Most recently, in 2024, I had medical and dental coverage for my family of 6 for around $1,200/mo - roughly half what's quoted but again, family of 6. Wasn't the greatest insurance but it would have kept us from financi…

I assume you were young. Direct was generally cheaper for young people and ACA cheaper for older people. Which pushed the average age of ACA up and then raises the price of ACA. It’s a mess!

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The affordable care act doubled most people's insurance over night (This happened to me and almost everyone I know). Nobody wants to mention this, because it makes their side look bad. Until we can admit where there are problems, there will never be a solution.

That doesn’t pass the sniff test. I was self-employed and self-insured when the ACA took effect and my premiums immediately dropped when I purchased through the Marketplace (and it wasn’t subsidized). It sounds like you either had junk insurance or you’re exaggerating things to score points.

Passes the test of my freelancer friends. They said at lunch that the long term change has been dramatic. What cost $300/m before the ACA turned to $3000/m today. These are all through the local Blue Cross. We talked about the junk policy idea. Certainly the post-ACA policies have some improvements like no pre-existing conditions, but it's pretty much a tangerine-to-oranges comparison.

Maybe yours dropped immediately, but I'm sure it's up quite a bit since then. You may say that's just inflation and that's part of it, but I think the deeper point is that the ACA is not containing the inflation. And that was one of the promises.

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When the ACA plans first came online in South Carolina, I switched over immediately. I was paying something like $300 per month as a young healthy single male with my small company plan. I got a Marketplace plan for about $120 per month. The next year my insurer went out of business but I found another insurer in the 200s, barely cheaper. The following year this insurer also went under. I was now left with Blue Cross…

Yes, health insurance costs rise every year. Partly due to increasing costs, but also due to the age of the insured. The question isn’t whether the ACA raised costs—those were always going to go up. The question is whether a the ACA made them go up less than not having it. For me, the before and after trend was remarkable. And I had higher quality insurance without lifetime maximums or arbitrary exclusions. Republica…

> those were always going to go up

No. That wasn't the promise. Obama said that his plan was going to cut a family's bills by $2500.

Now you may say that inflation has to creep in and I think that's fair. If oil rises in price, that affects everything. But the premise was always that the magic of the ACA would lower premiums.

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Yes, health insurance costs rise every year. Partly due to increasing costs, but also due to the age of the insured. The question isn’t whether the ACA raised costs—those were always going to go up. The question is whether a the ACA made them go up less than not having it. For me, the before and after trend was remarkable. And I had higher quality insurance without lifetime maximums or arbitrary exclusions. Republica…

> those were always going to go up No. That wasn't the promise. Obama said that his plan was going to cut a family's bills by $2500. Now you may say that inflation has to creep in and I think that's fair. If oil rises in price, that affects everything. But the premise was always that the magic of the ACA would lower premiums.

I recall the "magic" of the aca actually being focused on junk insurance so bad they look like scams, a marketplace to facilitate apples-to-apples competition, and most importantly, making it illegal to deny coverage to people because of genetic tests or public/stolen information like that (a great thing to see the 23&me breach coming).

My impression was it would be painful in a lot of ways but we need better competition and better protection in order to have the private insurance industry actually work for people instead of abuse them and health insurance is too important (and complicated, and too much history of dishonesty) for laissez faire.

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I'm in a EU country, in total I pay also around 15.000 EUR per year

[citation needed]

Not sure if I understand you correctly:

Do you mean some more numbers or the link to a healthcare-cost-calculator?

Re: $27,000 a Year for Health Insurance. How Can We Afford That?

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The affordable care act doubled most people's insurance over night (This happened to me and almost everyone I know). Nobody wants to mention this, because it makes their side look bad. Until we can admit where there are problems, there will never be a solution.

I can only speak for myself and not "most people" but before the ACA I was actually denied for health insurance - as in, insurers would not sell me insurance at ANY price.

After ACA went into effect, I got insurance and it was reasonable - I didn't even need to claim a subsidy for first few years, until I lost my job.

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In Germany a couple of two software developers would earn above the threshold of ca. 70k EUR per year each and therefore pay each around 15.000 EUR per year, which would be higher than the number given in the article ($27.000 for a family in US vs. around $35.000 in Germany currency converted). This applies for the public insurance where adults each have to be insured but kids are included for free. People with lower…

You're comparing what appears to be the MAXIMUM cost of German health insurance with the AVERAGE cost of US health insurance.

I prefer to say, the MEAN cost, on this topic; it’s the same thing but more opinion-forward :)

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no actuarial reserve has been built up This is laughable. Health insurance companies don't have no steenkin "actuarial reserve". Inventing one is an act of rhetorical desperation on your part. They only thing these companies consider or respond to is next quarter's profits.

> Health insurance companies don't have no steenkin "actuarial reserve". Inventing one is an act of rhetorical desperation on your part. This is how private health insurance companies work in Germany and many other countries (more precisely for Germany "private Krankenversicherung nach Art der Lebensversicherung" (Google Translate: private health insurance in the form of life insurance); formally, in Germany there al…

I don’t think that really exists in a literal sense of “your policy has a reserve of money to pay out for you”.

I think it exists in the same way social security does: money from people who pay in but don’t withdraw goes to people who do withdraw. There’s probably some reserve, but I’d guess it’s thin because withdrawals should be fairly predictable for large insurers.

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