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JetBrains cancels Fleet

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Re: JetBrains cancels Fleet

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Post by indemnity »

domano wrote: post #12

Last week i cancelled my Jetbrains sub after a decade of daily driving it. I just cant take the performance issues anymore. Across 5 different machines all kinds of actions would just take ages and it got worse every year. Moving to Apple Silicon made it bearable for a few months but somehow Jetbrains manages to get slow even on a M3 Max with 36GB RAM. Ive been fiddling with configs for years, i tried everything sinc…

I also cancelled my All Products subscription a while ago. I have been an IntelliJ user since the early 2000s and gave up after in 2025, it would still forget how a Maven project with some generated files should be built, with everything turning to a sea of red until you reimported the project and redid all your settings again. Job #1.

There was always a regression like this in every new build, along with the performance issues. Also switched to Zed + Claude Code/Codex.

I will miss the debugger (a little bit).

Re: JetBrains cancels Fleet

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Post by mariusor »

This seems to be hot on the trail of a new Island UI which is, sadly a terrible update. Everything has become bog slow in the latest version of the IDE, from opening the application to typing latency and cursor movement.

Re: JetBrains cancels Fleet

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Post by znpy »

domano wrote: post #12

Last week i cancelled my Jetbrains sub after a decade of daily driving it. I just cant take the performance issues anymore. Across 5 different machines all kinds of actions would just take ages and it got worse every year. Moving to Apple Silicon made it bearable for a few months but somehow Jetbrains manages to get slow even on a M3 Max with 36GB RAM. Ive been fiddling with configs for years, i tried everything sinc…

I know what I'm about to write is a meme, however: I stopped having any performance issue after switching to GNU Emacs for my code editing. Granted, as an infrastructure guy I the codebases I work with aren't always super large.

However, it's been crazy fast since always. Lately the lisp engine also got compilation to native code, so it's even faster. I occasionally get a slow down when I open a new project and emacs has to wait for the language server to boot.

> I was hyped when i heard they would release a standalone git product, but then they scrapped it!

Magit is cool :P

Also, emacs is free and runs pretty much everywhere. Truly worth learning.

Re: JetBrains cancels Fleet

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Post by rickette »

domano wrote: post #12

Last week i cancelled my Jetbrains sub after a decade of daily driving it. I just cant take the performance issues anymore. Across 5 different machines all kinds of actions would just take ages and it got worse every year. Moving to Apple Silicon made it bearable for a few months but somehow Jetbrains manages to get slow even on a M3 Max with 36GB RAM. Ive been fiddling with configs for years, i tried everything sinc…

Really? I'm daily driving JetBrains IDEs on Apple M3 and don't recognize any if this. Just give it a bunch of extra heap memory (eg 4g instead if 1gb) and it's fast!

Re: JetBrains cancels Fleet

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Post by domano »

rickette wrote: post #34
domano wrote: post #12

Last week i cancelled my Jetbrains sub after a decade of daily driving it. I just cant take the performance issues anymore. Across 5 different machines all kinds of actions would just take ages and it got worse every year. Moving to Apple Silicon made it bearable for a few months but somehow Jetbrains manages to get slow even on a M3 Max with 36GB RAM. Ive been fiddling with configs for years, i tried everything sinc…

Really? I'm daily driving JetBrains IDEs on Apple M3 and don't recognize any if this. Just give it a bunch of extra heap memory (eg 4g instead if 1gb) and it's fast!

I have given it up to 30GB of heap and i tried many different GC configs, i even ran it and my project on ramdisk.

The issue is related to using a monorepo with lots of code in different languages - openening single folders is fine. Ut i want to be able to work on dozens of services in a single window, all other editors manage just fine

Re: JetBrains cancels Fleet

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Post by domano »

mhitza wrote: post #19
moralestapia wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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I don't know how their IDEs were advertised to you or how large the codebases you work on are. I get fast enough autocomplete (sub second), and full line completion just fine, and I never use/buy top of the line systems. (using a midrange ~2020 thinkpad). But I'm in a similar place as the comment you replied to. Unless they start focusing again on improving they existing product line, next year I might not renew my l…

I know about the indexing, marking directories correctly so as not to trigger reindexing etc etc.

Since i work on a couple dozen services in a monorepo in a few languages, no amount of heap memory or CPU will be enough.

One days its the grapqhl plugin, the next day its typescript type inferrence, then something with rust, it just never stops. Sometimes even the golang operations are slow.

Its all just monorepo issues, but i expect my IDE to be able to handle a monorepo, all other IDEs work without issue (and are inferior in functionality sadly)

Re: JetBrains cancels Fleet

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Post by domano »

donmcronald wrote: post #29
domano wrote: post #12

Last week i cancelled my Jetbrains sub after a decade of daily driving it. I just cant take the performance issues anymore. Across 5 different machines all kinds of actions would just take ages and it got worse every year. Moving to Apple Silicon made it bearable for a few months but somehow Jetbrains manages to get slow even on a M3 Max with 36GB RAM. Ive been fiddling with configs for years, i tried everything sinc…

> Last week i cancelled my Jetbrains sub after a decade of daily driving it. I’ve been paying for a personal license for about 20 years and I’ve been thinking of dropping it. I don’t use it much, but I wanted access to something that I could use offline. I’m not sure that’s possible at this point, so the main appeal is kind of gone for me. I frequently choose “lesser” tools if it means I’m guaranteed they’ll run offl…

Yeah that should work, you can remove all the AI stuff with a single setting and the rest should be fine.

Re: JetBrains cancels Fleet

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Post by Aaron2222 »

mns wrote: post #15
syspec wrote: post #7

Alls they need to do is make extensions much much easier to build, especially extensions that render HTML. That's vscode's moat. Anytime the same extension exist in both vscode and jetbrains, the jetbrains version is clunky, crash, and unstable. I keep Jetbrains open while using vscode, for its local history/git/etc features, but how long will that be enough to keep my subscription

To be honest, I'm a bit annoyed that I installed maybe 2-3 extensions, and in the last year or so whenever I open one of their IDEs I need to update anywhere from 10 to 25 extensions. What are these things? Where did they come from and why do I have them, I used to see only the extensions that I actually installed, and now there's all kind of stuff that I thought was basic functionality.

A lot of core functionality is implemented as bundled plugins (they ship with the IDE, but can receive updates separately). They can also be independently disabled (and older versions used to come with only some enabled and ask you which others you want enabled at first launch).

Re: JetBrains cancels Fleet

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Post by amarant »

domano wrote: post #12

Last week i cancelled my Jetbrains sub after a decade of daily driving it. I just cant take the performance issues anymore. Across 5 different machines all kinds of actions would just take ages and it got worse every year. Moving to Apple Silicon made it bearable for a few months but somehow Jetbrains manages to get slow even on a M3 Max with 36GB RAM. Ive been fiddling with configs for years, i tried everything sinc…

> but somehow Jetbrains manages to get slow even on a M3 Max with 36GB RAM.

Really? That surprises me, given that I don't have any performance issues at all on my first gen dell xps 13.

Which specific products do you use? I use mostly intellij ultimate, but I have been playing around a bit with the community edition of Rover lately too. They're both silky smooth on my nearly 13 years old ultra portable.

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