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They clearly think of anyone they don't like as not human. I am only indulging in their crime. They do what evil people would do.
Thinking that the word is divided into evil and non evil people is not very useful.
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Neither torture nor genocide is recognized anywhere as a human right. After WWII we held trials.
>Neither torture nor genocide is recognized anywhere as a human right. After WWII we held trials. What do you want to tell me? Of course torture is not a human right. That doesn't change a bit that human rights apply to everyone. Even to the torturer. Sure, we should put him/her in prison for a long time but never does even the torturer loose his/her humanity. That is exactly what distinguishes us from the nazis/fasc…
Believing that the world is not divided into good and evil people also requires me to believe that people of the US have the same capacity for both good and evil as did the people of nazi Germany
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> the US is not a democracy. Since when? You probably think that it has been a democracy at some point. And I'm sure the US did use torture at the time you deemed it a democracy. Hence I don't get your point.
I never claimed it was a democracy, either today or in the past. I actually said the opposite.
ICE flavored Nuremberg when this is over.
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Which other president directed the rounding up of Americans and non-Americans to put them in a camp?
- Roosevelt https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internment_of_Japanese_America... - van buren https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fort_Cass - Wilson https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internment_of_German_Americans - Bush https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guantanamo_Bay_detention_camp And i must forget a lot of others, but I think you get the gist. "Great again" indeed.
This kind of seems to be a combined strategy. I mean this is not old; many of us may still remember Abu Ghraib and so forth. We now have a somewhat comparable situation: build up of enemies. See ICE raids and videos manhunting people. There always are people susceptible to do so (e. g. inflict pain onto others). The strange thing is how some "democracies" do that. Where is the net difference to a dictatorship? This i…
Anyway I don't like the article's take. It seems to blame this on an institutional drift into sadism. I don't think it's the full story, there must be a strategy behind it.
Inducing trauma so that migrants don't ever think about coming back? Maybe coupled with Palantir machine learning insights to identify those who need/respond to this treatment?
>Well, if we did this to these Terrorists there, why not to these other Criminals here…
Simplistic. These guys are part of a hierarchy.
>"EVERYTHING WE SAY, they can see." The end result of mass surveillance is mass murder.
Well no it's meant for targeted murder.
>You should not oppose this simply because it is coming, at some point in the future, for you. You should oppose this because it is happening to anyone. But it is coming for you.
Is it coming or not?
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They clearly think of anyone they don't like as not human. I am only indulging in their crime. They do what evil people would do.
Thinking that the word is divided into evil and non evil people is not very useful.
The definition of the word "evil" changes depends on which mode we are in.
That's why Niccolò Machiavelli suggested that it is useful to be both loved and feared, it gives you the best chance when a challenge is facing you.
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>Neither torture nor genocide is recognized anywhere as a human right. After WWII we held trials. What do you want to tell me? Of course torture is not a human right. That doesn't change a bit that human rights apply to everyone. Even to the torturer. Sure, we should put him/her in prison for a long time but never does even the torturer loose his/her humanity. That is exactly what distinguishes us from the nazis/fasc…
Distinguishes us how? If you cannot lose your humanity through torture, can you lose it through mass murder? Or is humanity something you cannot ever take away from anyone? If so, the worst of the nazis still had it. Yet I do know that it can be taken away precisely because you can torture another person until they aren't themselves anymore. That is, in fact, the goal of torture. Believing that the world is not divid…
Yes, they do. This is what "indivisible" in this context means. Of course they should be imprisoned but they are still humans with their human rights.
I know that this is hard for some to understand but retribution has it's limits. It is counter productive anyway. Just look at the USA. It's at the top of countries when it comes to the incarceration rate. Even Chinas incarceration rate is only ~1/5th compared to the USA. Norway is at a rate of ~1/10 of that of the USA. The American way clearly does not work. They put an unbelievable number of people in prisons where human rights are not guaranteed and yet they would still be much, much safer elsewhere. Their prísons grow criminals instead of citizens.
If you say: Nazis do not have human rights than where do you stop? Child molesters like Donald Trump? If human rights are relative and open to interpretation, there are no human rights.