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Ireland's Inability to Defend Itself

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Re: Ireland's Inability to Defend Itself

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Ireland nobly took a stand against fighting the Nazis in WW2, and they've been similarly brave ever since.

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> Ireland chose to take a position against colonialism

By refusing to fight the Nazis? What?

Are you implying that the Allies were the colonizers in WW2? (The Allied countries were also colonizers obviously, but within WW2 it's pretty obvious which countries were doing more of that, and more aggressively)

Re: Ireland's Inability to Defend Itself

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100% agreed with this article. The whole idea of Ireland's supposed neutrality is a farce. Does anyone really think that if a country like Russia decided to full-on invade Ireland, other European nations would just shrug it off? Of course not, and the Irish are well aware of that and rely on it (already they explicitly rely on the UK to help defend their country as a matter of policy). So really it's a simple hypocri…

If Russia decided to full-on invade Ireland, a country of 4.5 million (as completely absurd as this idea is, being Ireland where it is) having its own military would not help Ireland- it should better capitulate quickly to limit damage.

Re: Ireland's Inability to Defend Itself

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I think Ireland's commitment to pacifism and neutrality is laudable. Too few people live here to be able to defend against attacks from a larger power, and Ireland's strong suit has always been diplomacy, anyway. That obviously annoys people who either (for some unfathomable reason) like war or stand to gain personally from increased defence spending. Fortunately, there is little appetite for the kind of militarisati…

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given Britain's entire history wrt Ireland, I'd say defending Ireland is the least they could do.

Re: Ireland's Inability to Defend Itself

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100% agreed with this article. The whole idea of Ireland's supposed neutrality is a farce. Does anyone really think that if a country like Russia decided to full-on invade Ireland, other European nations would just shrug it off? Of course not, and the Irish are well aware of that and rely on it (already they explicitly rely on the UK to help defend their country as a matter of policy). So really it's a simple hypocri…

If Russia decided to full-on invade Ireland, a country of 4.5 million (as completely absurd as this idea is, being Ireland where it is) having its own military would not help Ireland- it should better capitulate quickly to limit damage.

There's a similar population ratio between the PRC and Taiwan I believe, so I guess Taiwan should just give up on having a military entirely then?

Not possible for them to stop China, so why bother? Just lie back and think of Ireland.

Re: Ireland's Inability to Defend Itself

#36

Ireland having 0 military capabilities, and being completely dependent on NATO, while being extremely opinionated, on how and what NATO does, always irked me deeply.

Ireland doesn't have 0 military capabilities, they have enough of a military to conduct peacekeeping missions elsewhere, which they don't need to do. They just don't have the ability to defend an invasion, but they do certainly have a military that does good in the world.

Ireland have an army with no tanks and an air force with no jets.

How would they maintain peace in another country without the help of others

Re: Ireland's Inability to Defend Itself

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My first thought was "defend itself from what ?", but in this new ages of drones, I guess it could be an issue. IIRC, doesn't Ireland pay the UK for some type of defense ?

> defend itself from what ?" The article addresses this unfortunate attitude: the whole premise of your question is, "well they'd have to go through these other countries first, so not our problem". It's a bit like if Kansas refused to pay anything towards the defense budget because any hostile powers would have to go through all those other states first. But, as the article also notes, air and sea power are things.…

Kansas would probably spend very little on defense, if it was a sovereign state.

Defense spending is not virtue signaling. It's money countries may have to waste if they feel threatened. But if there are no credible threats, it's better to lower the taxes or to spend the money on something that actually benefits the citizens.

Re: Ireland's Inability to Defend Itself

#38
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Notably thousands of Irish soldiers did fight the Germans in WW2 but via joining the British Army... an act that was frowned upon at the times. Many were killed.

And when they came back, they were blacklisted by order of the government: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-16287211

Jesus I never knew that. Shocking

Re: Ireland's Inability to Defend Itself

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Their "peacekeeping" missions are somewhere between utterly impotent / useless and actively counterproductive. Playing dumb and doing nothing while Hezbollah uses you as cover to launch missiles over the border from a couple hundred meters away is not keeping the peace.

Yeah, didn't they completely fail at stopping hezbollah from rebuilding, right in their backyard?

That assumes that their mission is to stop anything. UNRWA's sole mission (like most large-scale nonprofits - not suggesting they're unique) is to continue to procure money for its 30,000 or so salaried posts.

Re: Ireland's Inability to Defend Itself

#40

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If Russia decided to full-on invade Ireland, a country of 4.5 million (as completely absurd as this idea is, being Ireland where it is) having its own military would not help Ireland- it should better capitulate quickly to limit damage.

There's a similar population ratio between the PRC and Taiwan I believe, so I guess Taiwan should just give up on having a military entirely then? Not possible for them to stop China, so why bother? Just lie back and think of Ireland.

Russia invading Ireland would be like China invading Cuba.. there's a geo in geopolitics for a reason..
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