Is there a list of Geekbench performance metrics for the various Graviton CPUs? I need a reference point so I can compare it to Intel/AMD and Apple's ARM cpus. Otherwise it is buzzwords and superlatives. I need numbers so I can understand.
https://instances.vantage.sh/ shows coremark scores for each EC2 instance type.
Amazon EC2 M9g Instances
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Re: Amazon EC2 M9g Instances
#32Earlier quoted context omitted.
https://instances.vantage.sh/ shows coremark scores for each EC2 instance type.
It always strikes me that the best place of information for a cloud provider is not from that provider but a third party website. This is not a good comment for the cloud provider.
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Re: Amazon EC2 M9g Instances
#33Awhile back I was researching cloud instances for performance, And I noticed that AWS didn't have the latest generations of AMD/Intel. Which are far superior to Graviton 4. It seems obvious to me that AWS using their market dominance to shift workloads to Graviton.
>Which are far superior to Graviton 4. Not if you are looking at price/performance. AWS could be taking a loss to elevate the product though, no way to know for sure.
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#34Earlier quoted context omitted.
More specifically, the CPU cores in AWS Graviton5 are Neoverse V3 cores, which implement the Armv9.2-A ISA specification. Neoverse V3 is the server version of the Cortex-X4 core which has been used in a large number of smartphones. The Neoverse V3 and Cortex-X4 cores are very similar in size and performance with the Intel E-cores Skymont and Darkmont (the E-cores of Arrow Lake and of the future Panther Lake). Intel w…
>The Neoverse V3 and Cortex-X4 cores are very similar in size and performance with the Intel E-cores Skymont and Darkmont (the E-cores of Arrow Lake and of the future Panther Lake). That is not entirely accurate. X4 is big core design. All of its predecessor and successor has always had >1mm2 die space design. X4 is already on the smaller scale, it was the last ARM design before they went all in chasing Apple's A Ser…
The cores designed now by the Arm company for non-embedded applications are distributed into 4 sizes, of which the smaller 2 sizes correspond to what were the original "big and little sizes", but what was originally the big size has been continued into what are now medium-to-small cores, and the last such core before the rebranding was Cortex-A725.
Cortex-X4 is of the second size, medium-to-large. Cortex-X925 was the last big core design before Arm changed the branding this year, so several recent smartphones use Cortex-X925 as the big core, Cortex-X4 as the medium-sized core and Cortex-A725 as the small cores, omitting the smallest Cortex-A520 cores.
Cortex-X4 and Intel Skymont have exactly the same size, 1.7 square millimeter with 1 MB L2 cache memory (in Dimensity 9400 and Lunar Lake). This is about a third of the area of a big core like an Intel P-core and less than a half of the area of a Zen 5 compact core (but AMD uses an older less dense CMOS process; had AMD also used a "3 nm" process the area ratio would not have been so great, and Zen 5 has a double throughput for array operations).
Moreover, Neoverse V3/Cortex-X4 and Intel Skymont/Darkmont have approximately the same number of execution units of each kind in their backends. Only their frontends are very different, which is caused by the different ISAs that must be decoded, Aarch64 vs. x86-64.
The last Arm big core before rebranding, Cortex-X925, was totally unsuitable as a server core, as it had very poor performance per area, having a double area in comparison with Cortex-X4, but a performance greater by only a few tens percent at most. Therefore the performance per socket of a server CPU would have been much lower than that of a Graviton5, had it been implemented with Cortex-X925, due to the much lower number of cores per socket that could have been achieved.
Cortex-X4 was launched in 2023 and it was the big core of the 2024 flagship smartphones, then it has become the medium core of the 2025 flagship smartphones. Its server variant, Neoverse V3, has been launched in 2024 and it has been deployed in products only this year, first by NVIDIA (in Orin) and now by AWS.
It is not at all an obsolete core. As I have said, Intel will have only next year a server CPU with E-cores as good as Cortex-X4. We do not know yet any real numbers about the newly announced Arm cores that have replaced Cortex-A520, Cortex-A725, Cortex-X4 and Cortex-X925, so we do not know if they are really significantly better. The numbers used by Arm in presentations cannot be verified independently and usually when the performance is measured much later in actual products it does not match the optimistic predictions.
The new generation of cores might be measurably better only for computational applications, because they now include matrix execution units, but their first implementation may be not optimal yet, as it happened in the past with the first implementation of SVE, when the new cores had worse energy efficiency than the previous generation (which was corrected by improved implementations later).
Re: Amazon EC2 M9g Instances
#35Awhile back I was researching cloud instances for performance, And I noticed that AWS didn't have the latest generations of AMD/Intel. Which are far superior to Graviton 4. It seems obvious to me that AWS using their market dominance to shift workloads to Graviton.
Meanwhile, when AWS announces a new chip its probably something they have already been building out in their datacenters.
Re: Amazon EC2 M9g Instances
#36Is there a list of Geekbench performance metrics for the various Graviton CPUs? I need a reference point so I can compare it to Intel/AMD and Apple's ARM cpus. Otherwise it is buzzwords and superlatives. I need numbers so I can understand.
While the 5 variant isn't yet available outside of the preview, you can of course spin a 4 up and run geekbench yourself. Plenty of people have and you can find them in the GB DB. And of course most people spin up their specific workload to see how it compares. Core per core it pales compared to Apple's superlative processors, and falls behind AMD as well. But...that doesn't matter. You buy cloud resources generally…
Re: Amazon EC2 M9g Instances
#37Is there a list of Geekbench performance metrics for the various Graviton CPUs? I need a reference point so I can compare it to Intel/AMD and Apple's ARM cpus. Otherwise it is buzzwords and superlatives. I need numbers so I can understand.
https://instances.vantage.sh/ shows coremark scores for each EC2 instance type.
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#38Don't they still offer free nano EC2s? This is not a better price than $0.
Re: Amazon EC2 M9g Instances
#39Earlier quoted context omitted.
https://instances.vantage.sh/ shows coremark scores for each EC2 instance type.
It always strikes me that the best place of information for a cloud provider is not from that provider but a third party website. This is not a good comment for the cloud provider.
Re: Amazon EC2 M9g Instances
#40Pricing when? :( https://aws.amazon.com/ec2/pricing/on-demand/
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