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Mistral 3 family of models released

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Re: Mistral 3 family of models released

#31

Upvoting for Europe's best efforts.

That's unfair to Europe. A bunch of AI work is done in London (Deepmind is based here for a start)

Thats not the point.

Deepmind is not an UK company, its google aka US.

Mistral is a real EU based company.

Re: Mistral 3 family of models released

#33
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Extremely cool! I just wish they would also include comparisons to SOTA models from OpenAI, Google, and Anthropic in the press release, so it's easier to know how it fares in the grand scheme of things.

The lack of the comparison (which absolutely was done), tells you exactly what you need to know.

Here's what I understood from the blog post:

- Mistral Large 3 is comparable with the previous Deepseek release.

- Ministral 3 LLMs are comparable with older open LLMs of similar sizes.

Re: Mistral 3 family of models released

#34
Geometric mean of MMMLU + GPQA-Diamond + SimpleQA + LiveCodeBench :

- Gemini 3.0 Pro : 84.8

- DeepSeek 3.2 : 83.6

- GPT-5.1 : 69.2

- Claude Opus 4.5 : 67.4

- Kimi-K2 (1.2T) : 42.0

- Mistral Large 3 (675B) : 41.9

- Deepseek-3.1 (670B) : 39.7

The 14B 8B & 3B models are SOTA though, and do not have chinese censorship like Qwen3.

Re: Mistral 3 family of models released

#35
post #2

Extremely cool! I just wish they would also include comparisons to SOTA models from OpenAI, Google, and Anthropic in the press release, so it's easier to know how it fares in the grand scheme of things.

I guess that could be considered comparative advertising then and companies generally try to avoid that scrutiny.

Re: Mistral 3 family of models released

#36
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This is big. The first really big open weights model that understands images.

How is this different from Llama 3.2 "vision capabilities"? https://www.llama.com/docs/how-to-guides/vision-capabilities...

Guessing GP commenter considers Apache more "open" than Meta's license. Which to be fair isn't terrible but also not quite as clean as straight apache

Re: Mistral 3 family of models released

#37
post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The lack of the comparison (which absolutely was done), tells you exactly what you need to know.

Here's what I understood from the blog post: - Mistral Large 3 is comparable with the previous Deepseek release. - Ministral 3 LLMs are comparable with older open LLMs of similar sizes.

And implicit in this is that it compares very poorly to SOTA models. Do you disagree with that? Do you think these Models are beating SOTA and they did not include the benchmarks, because they forgot?

Re: Mistral 3 family of models released

#38
I use large language models in http://phrasing.app to format data I can retrieve in a consistent skimmable manner. I switched to mistral-3-medium-0525 a few months back after struggling to get gpt-5 to stop producing gibberish. It's been insanely fast, cheap, reliable, and follows formatting instructions to the letter. I was (and still am) super super impressed. Even if it does not hold up in benchmarks, it still outperformed in practice.

I'm not sure how these new models compare to the biggest and baddest models, but if price, speed, and reliability are a concern for your use cases I cannot recommend Mistral enough.

Very excited to try out these new models! To be fair, mistral-3-medium-0525 still occasionally produces gibberish ~0.1% of my use cases (vs gpt-5's 15% failure rate). Will report back if that goes up or down with these new models

Re: Mistral 3 family of models released

#40
Europe's bright star has been quiet for a while, great to see them back and good to see them come back to Open Source light with Apache 2.0 licenses - they're too far from the SOTA pack that exclusive/proprietary models would work in their favor.

Mistral had the best small models on consumer GPUs for a while, hopefully Ministral 14B lives up to their benchmarks.

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