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Credit report shows Meta keeping $27B off its books through advanced geometry

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Re: Credit report shows Meta keeping $27B off its books through advanced geometry

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Is Meta actually obligated to repay the loans or not?

That’s how you can decide if this is disingenuous or not. If Meta is obligated to repay the loan and used to synthetic means to get it off the balance sheet that’s a problem.

If they have in fact successfully transferred risk to other parties then that’s what deals like this are for. It’s the whole reason the concept of limited liability exists.

I am fully willing to believe it’s the former. But that’s the test.

Re: Credit report shows Meta keeping $27B off its books through advanced geometry

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It’s buried in the article but this about a debt vehicle created to finance a “2.064 GW hyperscale data center campus”. That’s approximately equivalent to a One-Third-Gorges Dam (one tenth of the Three Gorges Dam.)

Downstream of the capex to build the data centre is, presumably, a sister capex to build a power station. At what stage do these come hand in hand? Or does this financing include provisions to pay the electricity bills for the next ten years which, in turn, gets used by the power company to finance the construction of a new power plant? The power company gets some kind of heads up?

If I finance the construction of a mile long dinner table due for late November 2026, presumably some of that had to trickle down into a local turkey farm, lest everyone go hungry?

Re: Credit report shows Meta keeping $27B off its books through advanced geometry

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If the llc declares bankruptcy does meta have to pay the bank for it - or can they buy the assets at fire sale prices?

I have skimmed through the article and if I get the details through all the humor, satire and sarcasm even remotely correct, the major assets are actually the duality of payment obligations and residual value guarantees, both from meta. One could include cost overrun protection at the construction time too. The "fire sale prices" would be so delicious as to guarantee that the entity(-ies) involved stay solvent as lon…

My personal experience with LLC loans and banks is that the bank is using the assets as collateral and me as a backstop.

Re: Credit report shows Meta keeping $27B off its books through advanced geometry

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post #31
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Is Meta actually obligated to repay the loans or not? That’s how you can decide if this is disingenuous or not. If Meta is obligated to repay the loan and used to synthetic means to get it off the balance sheet that’s a problem. If they have in fact successfully transferred risk to other parties then that’s what deals like this are for. It’s the whole reason the concept of limited liability exists. I am fully willing…

Even if they aren't obligated to repay, they have to in practice because it'll impact their ability to get loans in the future. If the shell company declares bankruptcy and gets the loans off Meta's books no one will ever loan money to Meta again.

Re: Credit report shows Meta keeping $27B off its books through advanced geometry

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Monroe LA is the former headquarters of Lumen, they realized that their corporate headquarters was a white elephant and donated it to the local university I think. However that means there is available power capacity from the local power company and of course, fair amounts of fiber optic cable nearby.

Re: Credit report shows Meta keeping $27B off its books through advanced geometry

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This might be the first time an explicit ChatGPT response survived being the top comment

I personally think it’s a great response and makes it clearer what’s happening

Times are changing quickly!

Re: Credit report shows Meta keeping $27B off its books through advanced geometry

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This might be the first time an explicit ChatGPT response survived being the top comment I personally think it’s a great response and makes it clearer what’s happening Times are changing quickly!

One year ago was taboo to say you were using LLM to help you code, today is the other way around...

Re: Credit report shows Meta keeping $27B off its books through advanced geometry

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This might be the first time an explicit ChatGPT response survived being the top comment I personally think it’s a great response and makes it clearer what’s happening Times are changing quickly!

One year ago was taboo to say you were using LLM to help you code, today is the other way around...

This isn’t to code. It’s tk summarize - something LLMs are usually good at, since they’re essentially lossy text/knowledge compression at their root.

Re: Credit report shows Meta keeping $27B off its books through advanced geometry

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This might be the first time an explicit ChatGPT response survived being the top comment I personally think it’s a great response and makes it clearer what’s happening Times are changing quickly!

One year ago was taboo to say you were using LLM to help you code, today is the other way around...

Yeah... no it's not.

Re: Credit report shows Meta keeping $27B off its books through advanced geometry

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Folks in the comments here begging ChatGPT to teach them how to read

This article is poorly written. It’s so desperate to be clever and edgy that it’s hard to get the facts out of it.

ChatGPT isn’t really a solution because the source is both low quality and has questionable motives. Going to any of the other good articles on the subject that have been linked in this comment section is much better.

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