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Google denies 'misleading' reports of Gmail using your emails to train AI

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Re: Google denies 'misleading' reports of Gmail using your emails to train AI

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Fastmail is the way. These are people for whom email is their job and focus and you get everything that comes with that, including good and responsive customer service.

But their servers are in the US.

So are the email servers used by the recipients of your emails, no? Almost everybody uses gmail, so even of you don't most of your email correspondence is going to end up, or originate from, on gmail servers anyway.

Re: Google denies 'misleading' reports of Gmail using your emails to train AI

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The only reason I am still using gmail is due to choice paralysis. I do not know which email service to choose and pay for. I do not like Proton. Is Fastmail the way to go? There is also the German one posteo. Should I just use Apple's mail? I'm taking suggestions if you have anything to share.

I’ve been happy with hey.com. No plans on switching.

Re: Google denies 'misleading' reports of Gmail using your emails to train AI

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The only reason I am still using gmail is due to choice paralysis. I do not know which email service to choose and pay for. I do not like Proton. Is Fastmail the way to go? There is also the German one posteo. Should I just use Apple's mail? I'm taking suggestions if you have anything to share.

There is also another German: mailbox.org

Congrats, you have more choices now :P

I have positive experience with both posteo and mailbox.org.

Re: Google denies 'misleading' reports of Gmail using your emails to train AI

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post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But their servers are in the US.

So are the email servers used by the recipients of your emails, no? Almost everybody uses gmail, so even of you don't most of your email correspondence is going to end up, or originate from, on gmail servers anyway.

Personally I do not know the last time I wrote to a Gmail-adress, so depending on location and evironment avoiding US-mailservers may be possible.

Re: Google denies 'misleading' reports of Gmail using your emails to train AI

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The first step is to get your own domain. You can set that up in Apple Mail at first if it’s most convenient. Then you can get everything moved over. After that it’s much easier to move provider again.

How often do big providers like Gmail, customers of whom you will want to communicate with, eat the emails? I know that this is common if you run your own email server, and often just gone and not even to spam. Google would probably justify this as security, and not necessarily unreasonably, but it has a clear anti-competitive effect too. The security concerns would be more credible if they made it easy to debug this…

You don't have to run your own server.

My parents have a domain bought from OVH (they had to move away from their ancient ISP email address) and just use the free email service that goes with it. OVH is big enough that its email servers don't get blocked by the other main providers (it's a different matter if you host your own mail server on OVH servers) and they have not had any delivery problem.

For myself, I run my own mail server and have not had delivery problems for years now (even changing servers, so it's not just a case of IP reputation improving over time).

We do sometimes have delivery problems at work (also running our own mail servers, hosted at Scaleway) but it's to be expected at the kind of volume we have, it stays within quite acceptable levels.

Re: Google denies 'misleading' reports of Gmail using your emails to train AI

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Interestingly, “we do not use your Gmail content for training our Gemini AI model” (what they said) does not mean the same thing as “we don’t use your Gmail content to train AI” (what was asserted).

Anyone using Gmail and expecting it to be private or not leveraged against them is a fool.

Re: Google denies 'misleading' reports of Gmail using your emails to train AI

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It does? I have never once seen this in my life.

Might be a mobile app / EU-based account only thing, but I've seen it numerous times and I'm almost certain I've seen it on the web version of Gmail too.

American here. Seen it a number of times on both mobile and web.

Re: Google denies 'misleading' reports of Gmail using your emails to train AI

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post #5

The only reason I am still using gmail is due to choice paralysis. I do not know which email service to choose and pay for. I do not like Proton. Is Fastmail the way to go? There is also the German one posteo. Should I just use Apple's mail? I'm taking suggestions if you have anything to share.

Proton is bad because of the need to use custom clients.
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