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The EU made Apple adopt new Wi-Fi standards, and now Android can support AirDrop

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Re: The EU made Apple adopt new Wi-Fi standards, and now Android can support AirDrop

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You're a libertarian but regulatory intervention made everything about the market better and a better world for everyone involved with a relatively small change that was being stubbornly refused by a company for a small marginal benefit to themselves?

We call them "LINO"s.

Left libertarianism is compatible with such views.

Basically, libertarian on social issues paired with a preference for a decentralized economy, as opposed to a "tankie" (Stalinist) style centrally planned economy.

Re: The EU made Apple adopt new Wi-Fi standards, and now Android can support AirDrop

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You're a libertarian but regulatory intervention made everything about the market better and a better world for everyone involved with a relatively small change that was being stubbornly refused by a company for a small marginal benefit to themselves?

We call them "LINO"s.

Or... You know... We also like watching one giant corporation that benefits from distinctly authoritarian policies get wrecked by another authoritarian entity to the benefit of better competition in the market.

But apparently unless you're a suckup to the authoritarian entity that you like is now a LINO.

Re: The EU made Apple adopt new Wi-Fi standards, and now Android can support AirDrop

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An additional benefit is that the Wi-Fi standard also means that the weird account requirements on Google's Nearby Share can be avoided by independent implementations (i.e. on Windows or Linux or maybe rooted Android, iOS and macOS already have it of course). "Contacts only mode" will always be a challenge, but at least the "I just want to share a file without Google watching me" use case is now resolved by Google im…

Have you confirmed that the new feature works without an account or is that speculation?

The account requirement for nearby share never made sense yet they still did it the way...

Re: The EU made Apple adopt new Wi-Fi standards, and now Android can support AirDrop

#35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We call them "LINO"s.

Or... You know... We also like watching one giant corporation that benefits from distinctly authoritarian policies get wrecked by another authoritarian entity to the benefit of better competition in the market. But apparently unless you're a suckup to the authoritarian entity that you like is now a LINO.

Bingo.

Re: The EU made Apple adopt new Wi-Fi standards, and now Android can support AirDrop

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The EU: Sacrificing constituents' privacy rights with one hand, while courageously fighting for the sacred right to AirDrop with the other.

Don't worry, the United States is always eager to prove that you can neglect both consumer rights and user privacy at the same time.

This wasn't a "meanwhile, the U.S. is good" post. Let's hope this massive AirDrop "win" eases the sting of the rights that the EU is eroding.

Re: The EU made Apple adopt new Wi-Fi standards, and now Android can support AirDrop

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I'm libertarian, but I have to say watching the EU torment Apple has been delightful and one of the stronger arguments for muscular regulatory action. The USB-C thing just made everything better. It cost Apple basically nothing---maybe a few million/year of profit, which for a company that's worth $3 trillion is nothing, and it made my and many other people's lives quite a bit more convenient. Same with this Airdrop…

You're a libertarian but regulatory intervention made everything about the market better and a better world for everyone involved with a relatively small change that was being stubbornly refused by a company for a small marginal benefit to themselves?

Sure, because I think that, ultimately excessive regulation stifles innovation. I mean, heck, the EU is looking to effectively dismantle GDPR because they're worried that it's going to cause them to miss out on the AI boom.

My point was just that Apple is such an outrageously bad actor (and the USB-C and Airdrop rules so beneficial) that these rules were getting even a very pro-market person like me to at least be open to the idea of regulating some of these out-of-control giants.

Re: The EU made Apple adopt new Wi-Fi standards, and now Android can support AirDrop

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Apple also helped develop USB C more than a decade ago, they still had to be forced to actually use it in their phones. There is no contradiction here

Users all got to complain that the EU are the meanies responsible for their old wires and chargers and accessory no longer being compatible, but it seems infinitely more likely that Apple was going to adopt USB-C on largely the same schedule even if the EU didn't intercede. To be clear, Apple had already moved their laptops and computers to USB-C -- long in advance of almost any one else -- and had moved their iPad P…

Apple probably wouldn’t have changed to usbc for their phones. Lightning was a mobile phone / other development, whilst usbc and its contributions came from their Mac department.

They did not like each others standards. I know Apple engineers working on the phone who dislike the change even up to this day…

Re: The EU made Apple adopt new Wi-Fi standards, and now Android can support AirDrop

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I wonder if it's related to Apple's change from AWDL to Wi-Fi Aware, but AirDrop seems much more reliable on iOS 26. I can send to multiple people at once and they often all succeed, but most importantly, if one transfer fails or is cancelled, I can retry and it works. In older versions of iOS, a failed transfer seemed to block all future attempts until the phone was restarted.

Have you tried the NFC-bumping the tops of the iPhones together yet? So far I’ve had superb success rate on iOS18.

Re: The EU made Apple adopt new Wi-Fi standards, and now Android can support AirDrop

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post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Users all got to complain that the EU are the meanies responsible for their old wires and chargers and accessory no longer being compatible, but it seems infinitely more likely that Apple was going to adopt USB-C on largely the same schedule even if the EU didn't intercede. To be clear, Apple had already moved their laptops and computers to USB-C -- long in advance of almost any one else -- and had moved their iPad P…

Apple probably wouldn’t have changed to usbc for their phones. Lightning was a mobile phone / other development, whilst usbc and its contributions came from their Mac department. They did not like each others standards. I know Apple engineers working on the phone who dislike the change even up to this day…

Did they give reasons for why they don't like the change?
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