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In Europe, Speed Cameras Meet Their Technological Match

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Re: In Europe, Speed Cameras Meet Their Technological Match

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

So, you can easily show those jerks, simply by respecting the speed limit! win for you, win for the community!

You can easily show those jerks by driving at high speed and braking like an idiot right before you hit a speed trap. The reason the Netherlands employs so many mobile speed traps is because people quickly learn where the fixed speed traps are and simply ignore the speed limits in between, or try to "make up for time lost by having to brake for a speed trap" (yes, I've heard and seen plenty of people do this). This i…

Dutch people and government are obsessed with (limiting) speed, instead of focussing on keeping distance. A nice effect of distance is less braking, which means less energy converted into useless heat and less ghost traffic jams.

It always amuses me to hear local radio news about yet another multi-vehicle collision.

In Germany, the country known for it's wonderful Autobahn, you can temporarily loose your license for tailgating.

PS: I'm dutch.

Re: In Europe, Speed Cameras Meet Their Technological Match

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post #10

What do you do when cameras start calculating the average speed over some distance, rather than doing single-spot measurements? :)

Depends on the frequency of cameras, if it is just at the on and off ramps of a motorway, then one could exceed the speed limit for most of the way, determine how much time has been saved and enjoy a tea break at the service station before the last exit.

On a whole day drive that would still be faster as the speeding means you don't have to add on time for breaks.

In France that's effectively what happens. The toll gates are used to determine the average speed check over a journey, and so you can notice that the last service station before a toll gate is busier.

Not that I had a chance to do the same in the clapped out old Volvo I drove through France in.

I personally think average speed checks are great. In London I'd love to see the congestion charge cameras (number recognition technology) also used to check for average speed between any two cameras. I think that if people knew the whole of the city centre had average speed check enforcement that it would be a great benefit to the safety of pedestrians, cyclists and other road users in the city.

Re: In Europe, Speed Cameras Meet Their Technological Match

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post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> if the cameras are there to prevent accidents cameras are to easily collect fines.

So, you can easily show those jerks, simply by respecting the speed limit! win for you, win for the community!

But a loss for those of us who have two brain cells to rub together. We understand that the state now has an incentive to post and enforce unreasonably low speed limits that the vast majority of drivers will violate.

When they say it's about safety, not revenue... it's about the revenue.

Re: In Europe, Speed Cameras Meet Their Technological Match

#34
post #13

The thing with these systems is when you get caught, you don't pay a simple fine, you just loose your driving license. The journalists should inform themselves better, as European I doubt anyone is easily left of the hook if caught during a police control using such device.

According to this (http://www.theaa.com/motoring_advice/overseas/radar-detector...):

For some years now it is has been strictly forbidden under article R413-15 of the French 'Code de la Route' (highway code) to have a speed camera detector in a car in France, regardless of whether or not it is being used. Penalties can include fines of up to €1,500, confiscation of the device and of the vehicle. Until recently this legislation didn't apply to satellite navigation or other GPS-based systems capable of displaying fixed speed camera locations as points of interest (PoI).

Effective from 3 January 2012 French laws prohibiting drivers from carrying devices capable of detecting speed cameras have been extended to include devices able to warn or inform of the location of speed cameras e.g. satnav or gps systems capable of showing speed camera sites as PoI.

As well as now banning all devices capable of warning drivers of speed camera locations, the French government is installing around 400 new fixed speed cameras and is taking down road signs indicating the location of existing fixed speed camera sites.

Re: In Europe, Speed Cameras Meet Their Technological Match

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post #32
post #10

What do you do when cameras start calculating the average speed over some distance, rather than doing single-spot measurements? :)

Depends on the frequency of cameras, if it is just at the on and off ramps of a motorway, then one could exceed the speed limit for most of the way, determine how much time has been saved and enjoy a tea break at the service station before the last exit. On a whole day drive that would still be faster as the speeding means you don't have to add on time for breaks. In France that's effectively what happens. The toll g…

How about no cameras and no road markings, creating a shared space for everyone?

Re: In Europe, Speed Cameras Meet Their Technological Match

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post #36
post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Depends on the frequency of cameras, if it is just at the on and off ramps of a motorway, then one could exceed the speed limit for most of the way, determine how much time has been saved and enjoy a tea break at the service station before the last exit. On a whole day drive that would still be faster as the speeding means you don't have to add on time for breaks. In France that's effectively what happens. The toll g…

How about no cameras and no road markings, creating a shared space for everyone?

I've lived somewhere like that. It works well but then the streets were designed with that in mind; often narrow with lots of bends and poor visibility far ahead, a car driver has no choice but to go relatively slowly.

Re: In Europe, Speed Cameras Meet Their Technological Match

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> the use of radar-detection services like Coyote’s, which also monitors a driver’s speed against posted limits and advises of traffic jams, was applauded last year by the French government as a useful driver education tool, which helped legitimize the service.

I don't know where they saw that. "Radar-detection[1] services like Coyote’s" are universally criticized by the (past and present) French government: a bill passed recently rendering their use illegal. Now such devices alert you of a "danger zone", and the hypocrisy just grows bigger.

I can be controlled for speed up to five times on a 10km, 20min commute, yet I've been controlled only two times in 20 years for alcohol.

[1] This term is incorrect, radar detection systems (the little thingies that detect radar EM emissions) are completely banned, whereas radar alert systems (where a geolocation database is filled by professionals and/or the community and checked against current position) were until recently allowed, and banned recently.

Re: In Europe, Speed Cameras Meet Their Technological Match

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post #10

What do you do when cameras start calculating the average speed over some distance, rather than doing single-spot measurements? :)

They have these on various motorways and cities in the UK - and they work brilliantly - once you are in (a well signposted) 'average speed check' area, everyone slows down and does the speed limit. You could still be warned that you are aproaching the area though. Interestingly these use front mounted cameras (to capture the driver) so have no effect on motorbikes - though the general slower speed seems to slow them…

Average speed checks are awful — I spend more time looking at the speedo than I do the road, as I try to keep close to the limit while not hitting the car in front. And they are always for odd speeds that I find difficult to maintain (just the wrong pedal position).

Perhaps they make sense when everyone has cruise control as standard to rely on, but until then a mass rollout would drive me to public transport. Or is that the point?

Re: In Europe, Speed Cameras Meet Their Technological Match

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Automated enforcement doesn't catch the most dangerous drivers (erratic tailgaters etc.) and it increases the incentive to steal or clone number plates.

It is pretty rare to see a police vehicle on the UK motorways. I probably see one on my carriageway less than once every thousand miles and that includes where they are dealing with an accident or traffic stop. Our roads are pretty safe by global standards so maybe that is ok and money is better spent engineering out accident black spots.

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