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Germany to classify date rape drugs as weapons to ensure justice for survivors

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Re: Germany to classify date rape drugs as weapons to ensure justice for survivors

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Yes, people can and do recreationally take GHB quite often. (also commonly used in date rape cases) The same can be said for MDMA, and others

Let me clarify. I meant the following. Assume ghb is found and evidence of sex. The woman claims she didn't take it and didn't want to have sex. Wouldn't this be enough for a conviction?

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Re: Germany to classify date rape drugs as weapons to ensure justice for survivors

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, people can and do recreationally take GHB quite often. (also commonly used in date rape cases) The same can be said for MDMA, and others

Let me clarify. I meant the following. Assume ghb is found and evidence of sex. The woman claims she didn't take it and didn't want to have sex. Wouldn't this be enough for a conviction?

if the jury believed the woman's claims, yes, it's enough for conviction. conviction rates are high not because it's easy to prove guilt, but because district attorneys don't bring case that are likely to be lost. the scenario you describe might not be considered strong enough to win, and resources are limited, so this hypothetical case might not get a hearing.

Re: Germany to classify date rape drugs as weapons to ensure justice for survivors

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In California, rape of an unconscious person is not considered a violent felony for the purposes of 'strikes' as well as early release from prison. A rapist may serve as little as 50% of their sentence due to this fact. It was only this year (2025) that rape of an unconscious person who was made unconscious by the assailant (a date rape drug provision like Germany's) became a violent felony. Germany is not alone in t…

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Re: Germany to classify date rape drugs as weapons to ensure justice for survivors

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In California, rape of an unconscious person is not considered a violent felony for the purposes of 'strikes' as well as early release from prison. A rapist may serve as little as 50% of their sentence due to this fact. It was only this year (2025) that rape of an unconscious person who was made unconscious by the assailant (a date rape drug provision like Germany's) became a violent felony. Germany is not alone in t…

So if they're unconscious for some other reason - or the assailant wasn't the one who drugged them - it's not a felony?

Sometimes I'm still surprised at how politicians can defend certain positions.

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