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How Cops Are Using Flock's ALPR Network to Surveil Protesters and Activists

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Re: How Cops Are Using Flock's ALPR Network to Surveil Protesters and Activists

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>Everyone should have the right to speak up against injustice without ending up in a database.

If you speak in a public place you should expect to possibly be recorded. If you want to share a message with the public, you should cower when people receive it. If you want privacy, then protest somewhere private.

Re: How Cops Are Using Flock's ALPR Network to Surveil Protesters and Activists

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post #9

Hm, the State thoroughly coopting private enterprises to oppress their people… I wonder what’s the name of that…

These are generally not private cameras; they're operated by states and municipalities. There are some corner cases like Home Depot that matter if your area has decided not to do ALPRs, but in most places, police department deployment of ALPRs is accelerating, not receding, and the private cameras are kind of a sideshow.

Re: How Cops Are Using Flock's ALPR Network to Surveil Protesters and Activists

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post #2

I recently contributed to https://deflock.me/ We had a local story where the gist was the police said they searched ALPR for the welfare of a young woman, but it was actually more focused on a possible abortion. [1] "Unrelated" this same Sheriff was later charged with sexual harassment, perjury, and retaliation against a witness [2]. These are the types that are able to easily track you if they wanted to. [1] https:/…

In exploring my state (Oregon), I'm seeing an interesting pattern to where they are frequently located. Specifically, at home improvement store parking lots.

And in most cases, the ones at home improvement stores are the only ones in the city. Salem (the state capital) only has them at Lowes. Eugene is an exception with many cameras (including Home Depot and Lowe's).

I'd be interested in when these cameras were placed. If recent, I'd wonder about an ICE/immigration response.

Just zooming around the map, here's a handful of citys I've seen...

Lowe's: Albany, Salem, McMinville, Vancouver WA, Fairview, Eugene, Bend, Redmond, Medford

Home Depot: Sherwood, Hillsboro, Beaverton, Cedar Mill (Beaverton), Tigard, Vancouver WA, Portland (multiple), Gresham, Oregon City

* Edit * Ah here's an article about this: https://www.404media.co/home-depot-and-lowes-share-data-from...

Re: How Cops Are Using Flock's ALPR Network to Surveil Protesters and Activists

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post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Criminal Justice Reform --> Surge in crime That's a big assumption considering crime rates are already at lows

>In my neighborhood (a Criminal Justice Reform Zone), the catch and release of repeat criminals caused a surge in break ins.

But suddenly adding cameras that resulted in catching more people fixed the issue? Surely if the catch and release was the issue, that wouldn't make a difference.

Re: How Cops Are Using Flock's ALPR Network to Surveil Protesters and Activists

#36

In my neighborhood (a Criminal Justice Reform Zone), the catch and release of repeat criminals caused a surge in break ins. The citizens organized and funded the installation of Flock LPRs. Several criminals have been caught as a result, and crime is now down. So the impetus is twofold: - Funding provided by programs such as Operation Stonegarden and other grants - Activists agitate for Criminal Justice Reform --> Su…

The city I used to live in trialed flock cameras for car theft. They caught more car thefts in January of the trial year than the previous year’s total.

Re: How Cops Are Using Flock's ALPR Network to Surveil Protesters and Activists

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post #36

In my neighborhood (a Criminal Justice Reform Zone), the catch and release of repeat criminals caused a surge in break ins. The citizens organized and funded the installation of Flock LPRs. Several criminals have been caught as a result, and crime is now down. So the impetus is twofold: - Funding provided by programs such as Operation Stonegarden and other grants - Activists agitate for Criminal Justice Reform --> Su…

The city I used to live in trialed flock cameras for car theft. They caught more car thefts in January of the trial year than the previous year’s total.

This is not exactly an unbiased forum to discuss this matter since Flock is a YC backed program, but what do you think will happen in short order? Maybe that car thieves will simply slap on fake license plates to get out of the area?

What you’re left with then, is nothing but the tyrannical and even treasonous mass surveillance program to know where you go and when all your life, even when you leave your tracking device phone behind and use a tracking device free vehicle.

Re: How Cops Are Using Flock's ALPR Network to Surveil Protesters and Activists

#38
I have been using different anonimization tools to blur out my face and license plate at as many locations as possible to keep my data as private as possible. This recent tool does it in a single shot in a chat. I was able to blur out LPR data very easily with high accuracy https://chat.vlm.run/c/7ca96025-1d6c-4c33-ab82-97e6f017883b

Re: How Cops Are Using Flock's ALPR Network to Surveil Protesters and Activists

#39
post #36

In my neighborhood (a Criminal Justice Reform Zone), the catch and release of repeat criminals caused a surge in break ins. The citizens organized and funded the installation of Flock LPRs. Several criminals have been caught as a result, and crime is now down. So the impetus is twofold: - Funding provided by programs such as Operation Stonegarden and other grants - Activists agitate for Criminal Justice Reform --> Su…

The city I used to live in trialed flock cameras for car theft. They caught more car thefts in January of the trial year than the previous year’s total.

We started hoping that car thefts would be a pressure point for a lot of violent crime (which tends to be committed from stolen cars --- this is the Kia problem). But we caught more innocent drivers with stale entries on the Illinois LEADS hotlist than actual stolen cars. When we OK'd the system after its pilot, it was on the condition that we no longer curb cars based on stolen car reports at all --- we'd only curb them based on stolen license plates (which have no innocent explanation).

Maybe other states are different for this, but in Chicagoland, unless you don't care about disproportionately harming Black motorists, using Flock for stolen car enforcement was a flop.

Re: How Cops Are Using Flock's ALPR Network to Surveil Protesters and Activists

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post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The city I used to live in trialed flock cameras for car theft. They caught more car thefts in January of the trial year than the previous year’s total.

This is not exactly an unbiased forum to discuss this matter since Flock is a YC backed program, but what do you think will happen in short order? Maybe that car thieves will simply slap on fake license plates to get out of the area? What you’re left with then, is nothing but the tyrannical and even treasonous mass surveillance program to know where you go and when all your life, even when you leave your tracking dev…

Nobody cares that Flock is a YC company. I'd be surprised if most YC batch members even realized off the top of their head that Flock is YC. YC companies get criticized all the time on HN, including by people who have done YC.
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