5 years is a short time for Firefox bugs.
Probably for WebKit and Chromium too; I have an open (silly) WebKit CSS bug for about 4 years now.
EXIF orientation info in PNGs isn't used for image-orientation: from-image
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Re: EXIF orientation info in PNGs isn't used for image-orientation: from-image
#32Interesting. I was not aware that was a thing. Orientation info seems way less useful in a lossless format like PNG. It makes sense in JPEG for instance because rotating and re-encoding would be lossy and slightly degrade the image.
It's hella useful when the encoder doesn't have the RAM to hold the entire image. But this is a pretty rare case.
JPEG rotation only has to be lossy when the image is not evenly divisible into macro blocks - rather than transcoding just rotate the macro blocks, and where they're placed.
Re: EXIF orientation info in PNGs isn't used for image-orientation: from-image
#33Earlier quoted context omitted.
I firmly believe every product team needs to be split in two: one half works on the issue of highest importance, the other works on the easiest issues. If only to avoid the embarrassment of easy to fix bugs that were passed over for eons just because they weren't priority-high.
There's something to this, although I think the idea needs some refinement. Anyone who's worked on a real software product knows that the "easy" bugs usually aren't actually easy (or else they would've been fixed already!). The way I've seen it implemented at a small company I worked at before was to explicitly endorse the "20% time" idea that Google made famous, where you may choose your own priorities for a fractio…
> Anyone who's worked on a real software product knows that the "easy" bugs usually aren't actually easy (or else they would've been fixed already!).
Not really. It's hard to see the difference from the outside without actually digging into it first, but in my experience while there's plenty of "easy" bugs that aren't actually easy, there's also plenty of easy bugs that are actually easy and that apparently everyone else assumed they're not, or else they would have been fixed already :P
Re: EXIF orientation info in PNGs isn't used for image-orientation: from-image
#34See also: The VLC bug that incorrectly applies right crops as left crops [1]. This bug report is from 2023, however the bug has existed as long as VLC has as far as I know. I'm always surprised to see bugs like this where an extremely easy to test part of the spec just seemingly isn't tested and ends up as a bug that never gets fixed until many years later. [0]: https://code.videolan.org/videolan/vlc/-/issues/28279
I firmly believe every product team needs to be split in two: one half works on the issue of highest importance, the other works on the easiest issues. If only to avoid the embarrassment of easy to fix bugs that were passed over for eons just because they weren't priority-high.
We do priority high stuff in sprint planning. Non prio bug fixes can be dragged in by devs when the are out of sprint tasks or need to switch context to unfold thoughts.
You cannot just push high prio stuff on people.
Business gets their predictable workload done bonus stuff like things team wants to fix gets of course second seat but it has its place.
Re: EXIF orientation info in PNGs isn't used for image-orientation: from-image
#35Browsers starting to rotate images based on EXIF is such a pain. I maintain an image annotation tool and all of a sudden images were shown differently to users depending on the browser they used. Then you have to jump through all sorts of hoops to ignore the EXIF orientation again. In some cases you are not allowed to see if the orientation was changed for security reasons. And then the only way to control this is th…
Yes. I wrote a little image uploader script to easily upload images from my phone for embedding in web forums etc, and it strips out all the EXIF orientation and just converts it to the correct orientation. Aside from that I'm always having to fiddle with it in my image tools and hope every software I use supports it. It's such a crap feature. Just rotate the damn image, phones!
Re: EXIF orientation info in PNGs isn't used for image-orientation: from-image
#36As a former metadata completionist, my mind starts to dissociate when I think about my battles with EXIF metadata, vendor-specific metadata, and the way different software supports, or refuses to support, any of it. It gets even worse when ingesting images into Apple Photos, where you have to confront papercut bugs that you know will never be fixed. I love ExifTool. It’s one of the great utilities. It works for almos…
I'm comforted that it's not only me :D. I made a tool to index/exfiltrate media from phone backups and DSLR storage and the behavior has been changing over the years without me changing anything.
Re: EXIF orientation info in PNGs isn't used for image-orientation: from-image
#37Browsers starting to rotate images based on EXIF is such a pain. I maintain an image annotation tool and all of a sudden images were shown differently to users depending on the browser they used. Then you have to jump through all sorts of hoops to ignore the EXIF orientation again. In some cases you are not allowed to see if the orientation was changed for security reasons. And then the only way to control this is th…
Yes. I wrote a little image uploader script to easily upload images from my phone for embedding in web forums etc, and it strips out all the EXIF orientation and just converts it to the correct orientation. Aside from that I'm always having to fiddle with it in my image tools and hope every software I use supports it. It's such a crap feature. Just rotate the damn image, phones!
Wouldn’t that degrade the quality for a lossy format, especially if done repeatedly? I see why people would not want their phone to do that. If you’re uploading it somewhere that might not be supported it would be worth it but I don’t want my phone to silently degrade images that are just sitting in my gallery
Re: EXIF orientation info in PNGs isn't used for image-orientation: from-image
#38This is super useful if you need to learn how to manipulate exif orientation
https://github.com/recurser/exif-orientation-examples
Re: EXIF orientation info in PNGs isn't used for image-orientation: from-image
#39Earlier quoted context omitted.
I firmly believe every product team needs to be split in two: one half works on the issue of highest importance, the other works on the easiest issues. If only to avoid the embarrassment of easy to fix bugs that were passed over for eons just because they weren't priority-high.
There's something to this, although I think the idea needs some refinement. Anyone who's worked on a real software product knows that the "easy" bugs usually aren't actually easy (or else they would've been fixed already!). The way I've seen it implemented at a small company I worked at before was to explicitly endorse the "20% time" idea that Google made famous, where you may choose your own priorities for a fractio…
> the "easy" bugs usually aren't actually easy (or else they would've been fixed already!).
This is a perfect expression of something I like to call Chesterton's Inertia. It's exactly the same as Chesterton's Fence.
What happens is that there is a mess on the floor, and somebody walks around it, maybe just because they were in a hurry, or maybe they didn't even see it. Somebody else walks in, maybe doesn't even notice the mess, just notices the faint trail that the last person left, and follows it. The next person walks in, sees a mess, and sees a trod path around the mess, and follows the path.
Years later, the path has been paved, has signage posted that doesn't refer to the mess, and has walls blocking the mess from sight. The mess has fused with the ground it used to just sit on, and is partially being used to support the wall. Every once in a while, someone asks why there's a weird bend in the path that makes no sense, and a old hand who's been around since the beginning tells him that the bend is a fence, and not for you to understand.
Re: EXIF orientation info in PNGs isn't used for image-orientation: from-image
#40> Further findings: neither Safari, Chrome, or Firefox respects exiftool's default output, which appends EXIF to the end of a PNG.
Makes sense. I have to imagine there is a performance impact to waiting until you've downloaded the entire image _just in case_ there's some metadata telling you to rotate it right at the end of the stream.