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How a French judge was digitally cut off by the USA

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Re: How a French judge was digitally cut off by the USA

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Post by pfdietz »

aDyslecticCrow wrote: post #19
pfdietz wrote: post #12

Ultimately this sources back to Europe being dependent on the US for defense.

How is is defence relevant in this article? This is abusing of the private sector monopoly of alot of internet infrastructure. Nothing of this is military in nature.

If Europe weren't militarily dependent they'd be less subservient on this and other positions.

As the US becomes less ideologically predisposed to defend Europe, expect the US to take more advantage of the dependency, as the threat to walk away will become more real.

Re: How a French judge was digitally cut off by the USA

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Post by breppp »

netsharc wrote: post #18
breppp wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the more interesting thing here is the ability to fantasize categories such as genocide where war can be maximalized into genocide when you don't like the winner, and the genocidal act that has started said war (classic genocide mass killings of civilians by death squads) is appropriated by the perpetrators turned victims

I guess "genocide" is also defined by the winners, or their defenders. And if it's not a genocide, then it's just mass killing of innocents, and that's... fine! Wonko the Sane is right.

do you define the dresden firebombings or the hiroshima nuclear attack as genocide?

Re: How a French judge was digitally cut off by the USA

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Post by ur-whale »

Chalk up one more to the very long list of why centralizing institutions is a horrible idea because it creates freedom-killing choke points that the flavor-of-the-day hegemon can use as it damn pleases.

In a decentralized world, the US could huff and puff as much as they please, no one would give two fucks.

But when the US have an actual say in every cent that moves from account A to account B in every country that still harbors the illusion of sovereignty ... well your sovereignty does not actually exist.

Re: How a French judge was digitally cut off by the USA

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Post by jdibs »

petcat wrote: post #24
nmridul wrote: post #6

> ..... he calls on the EU to activate an existing blocking regulation (Regulation (EC) No 2271/96) for the International Criminal Court, which prevents third countries like the USA from enforcing sanctions in the EU. EU companies would then no longer be allowed to comply with US sanctions if they violate EU interests. Companies that violate this would then be liable for damages. That is from that article..

EU is in a very tough spot right now. They're getting squeezed on all sides economically by USA and China while simultaneously facing a Russian invasion on their eastern borders. The relationship with the American administration has deteriorated badly and any action seen as "retaliation", such as this policy blockade, would almost definitely result in USA withdrawing even more support for Ukraine in the war. I think,…

A referendum about whether the EU should "put boots on the ground" seems like a good idea to me as long as only those who vote yes get deployed.

Re: How a French judge was digitally cut off by the USA

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Post by breppp »

7952 wrote: post #29
breppp wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the more interesting thing here is the ability to fantasize categories such as genocide where war can be maximalized into genocide when you don't like the winner, and the genocidal act that has started said war (classic genocide mass killings of civilians by death squads) is appropriated by the perpetrators turned victims

Its all abstractions that help justify ethno-nationalism at the expense of concern about individual tragedy.

most of the wars in history were fought by empires that were the exact opposite of ethnic-nationalism, and also most genocides. it is completely unrelated

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Post by DangitBobby »

embedding-shape wrote: post #22
Eddy_Viscosity2 wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think that's true. Lots of countries out there led by thugs. It used to be that the US stood out because it took the law seriously and believed in its ideals to do the right thing (not that it always succeeded, but it did its best). Looks like that time has passed.

> It used to be that the US stood out because it took the law seriously and believed in its ideals to do the right thing I think it looked like that, because the US always been very effective at propaganda, and until the internet and the web made it very easy for people to communicate directly with each other without the arms of media conglomerates. It's now clearer than ever that US never really believed in its own…

I'm skeptical things would have lasted this long if the "US never really believed in its own ideal or took their own laws seriously". I think you're letting your cynicism for this moment run away with you.

Re: How a French judge was digitally cut off by the USA

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Post by chatmasta »

enlguy wrote: post #3

Only the U.S. would actually sanction someone for trying to indict a war criminal.

The ICC somehow managed to create an institution even more useless than the UN. The very concept of an International Criminal Court, operating in some idealistic moral space above war and diplomacy, is completely divorced from the reality of realpolitik and total war. If everyone agreed to arbitrate world matters in the ICC, why even have militaries?
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