A thought: is using Rust a form of avoiding responsability? And a second thought since the article seems to be flagged now: considering the fan reaction to a post disparaging their favorite language, how is the Rust community different from a religious cult now?
> is using Rust a form of avoiding responsability? How so? > considering the fan reaction to a post disparaging their favorite language, how is the Rust community different from a religious cult now? Believe it or not, not all criticism is created equal. High-quality criticism is consistently well-received from what I've seen. This doesn't seem to get particularly close to that bar.
Why Zig Is Quietly Doing What Rust Couldn't: Staying Simple
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Re: Why Zig Is Quietly Doing What Rust Couldn't: Staying Simple
#32Earlier quoted context omitted.
> is using Rust a form of avoiding responsability? How so? > considering the fan reaction to a post disparaging their favorite language, how is the Rust community different from a religious cult now? Believe it or not, not all criticism is created equal. High-quality criticism is consistently well-received from what I've seen. This doesn't seem to get particularly close to that bar.
I don't think i've seen on HN discussions any criticism directed at rust that was acknowledged as high quality though.
I've seen other criticisms spawn good discussions and/or a good number of people agreeing, but nothing quite as clearly on point as that off the top of my head.
[0]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40172033
[1]: https://old.reddit.com/r/rust/comments/1cdqdsi/lessons_learn...
[2]: https://old.reddit.com/r/rust/comments/1cdqdsi/lessons_learn...
Re: Why Zig Is Quietly Doing What Rust Couldn't: Staying Simple
#33A thought: is using Rust a form of avoiding responsability? And a second thought since the article seems to be flagged now: considering the fan reaction to a post disparaging their favorite language, how is the Rust community different from a religious cult now?
> is using Rust a form of avoiding responsability? How so? > considering the fan reaction to a post disparaging their favorite language, how is the Rust community different from a religious cult now? Believe it or not, not all criticism is created equal. High-quality criticism is consistently well-received from what I've seen. This doesn't seem to get particularly close to that bar.
As in: we're using a safe language, it's not our fault.
Re: Why Zig Is Quietly Doing What Rust Couldn't: Staying Simple
#34Earlier quoted context omitted.
> is using Rust a form of avoiding responsability? How so? > considering the fan reaction to a post disparaging their favorite language, how is the Rust community different from a religious cult now? Believe it or not, not all criticism is created equal. High-quality criticism is consistently well-received from what I've seen. This doesn't seem to get particularly close to that bar.
> How so? As in: we're using a safe language, it's not our fault.
In addition, there's almost always something more going on than using a particular tool and you're generally still going to be responsible for that other stuff anyways. For example, if you're working on something critical and high-integrity you're responsible for the end product functioning as intended no matter how exactly you go about doing that. Using something like SPARK might be a smart way to go about that, but you still need to have processes before using SPARK (e.g., verifying the specifications you're going to implement are what you intend) and processes after using SPARK (e.g., verifying what you implemented is actually what you intended, that the product is indeed working as expected, etc.). If a bug in SPARK results in something unintended happening, you may not be responsible for the faulty proof itself but that's only one failure out of multiple in the entire pipeline - for example, you can't pin a failure to catch the error in testing on SPARK.
Re: Why Zig Is Quietly Doing What Rust Couldn't: Staying Simple
#35Until it gets widely adopted and people want to have certain feature, etc.
Re: Why Zig Is Quietly Doing What Rust Couldn't: Staying Simple
#36I know this post is AI generated to some extent but I'm still curious. The subtitle says: > Rust shouted about safety. Zig just built it — without the ceremony, the sermons, or the 15-minute compile times. Which I interpret as meaning that zig delivers memory safety in a simpler way than rust. But a few paragraphs in, it says: > Rust teaches you ownership like a tough-love therapist. Zig, meanwhile, just shrugs and s…
I hate this line of thinking. It doesn't matter if I'm an adult, if the guy before me was a screaming toddler.