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Europe's cookie nightmare is crumbling. EC wants preference at browser level

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Re: Europe's cookie nightmare is crumbling. EC wants preference at browser level

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False dichotomy, just advertise based on the content of the site without spying on people

Loaded language, it can’t be “spying” if the user consents.

This only really rings true if the consent is informed, I don’t believe that that is the case.

Re: Europe's cookie nightmare is crumbling. EC wants preference at browser level

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In the meantime, if you're browsing the web with uBlock Origin, you should definitely enable cookie list filters in Dashboard > Filter lists > Cookie Notices. Haven't seen a banner in ages.

I've noticed more and more websites breaking from that. The page won't scroll and you can't interact with anything.

Re: Europe's cookie nightmare is crumbling. EC wants preference at browser level

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The choice citizens would make every single time is to see the website without ads. Of course, publishers aren’t happy about that, since they would have to close shop. Maybe the EC should consider both sides of the equation.

False dichotomy, just advertise based on the content of the site without spying on people

Untargeted pay less than 90% of targeted ones generally. And there's not a lot of companies that can handle a 90% drop in revenue.

The real solution would be to make users pay for the content, but charging for something that users used to get for "free" is also essentially impossible.

Re: Europe's cookie nightmare is crumbling. EC wants preference at browser level

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post #12

yes. everyone install Cookie Auto Delete. the problem is a plugin like that would take out entire industries because it would basically end anonymous tracking cookies.

They no longer track you by (only) cookies- the GPDR made sure of that. Fingerprinting is the current standard and there’s no easy way to block that.

Re: Europe's cookie nightmare is crumbling. EC wants preference at browser level

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In the meantime, if you're browsing the web with uBlock Origin, you should definitely enable cookie list filters in Dashboard > Filter lists > Cookie Notices. Haven't seen a banner in ages.

Thank you I didn’t know this.

Re: Europe's cookie nightmare is crumbling. EC wants preference at browser level

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post #3

This was the correct decision and could have been made a decade ago. An .. institutional deficiency was trying to make the GDPR as completely general as possible rather than doing a technology mandate. But this had two consequences: bad actors could circumvent it, and good actors just trying to comply ended up horribly confused (e.g. is logging an IP address in an Apache log "personal data"?). DNT header. Legally bin…

> An .. institutional deficiency was trying to make the GDPR as completely general as possible rather than doing a technology mandate.

Making it a technological mandate would have made it trivial to circumvent.

Re: Europe's cookie nightmare is crumbling. EC wants preference at browser level

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> This is not a real choice made by citizens This is something which courts should consider more about other things, such as EULA and Terms and Conditions. Same reasons.

The choice citizens would make every single time is to see the website without ads. Of course, publishers aren’t happy about that, since they would have to close shop. Maybe the EC should consider both sides of the equation.

Ads don't require invasive tracking. They work in print, radio, television, and 90s web without tracking.

Re: Europe's cookie nightmare is crumbling. EC wants preference at browser level

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I like the cookie law as a sort of 4D chess move.

Step 1: force websites to add an opt-out flow for privacy-minded users.

Step 2: websites don't complain too much because they can implement it in obnoxious and dark-pattern-laden ways, so that few users actually opt-out.

Step 3: now that websites have proven there's no technical barrier and the flows are already implemented, slowly retire unnecessary user tracking and data sharing.

I'd be surprised if this was planned ahead of time, but it's not a bad strategy.

Re: Europe's cookie nightmare is crumbling. EC wants preference at browser level

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Related: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45667866 Personally, I find this a move in the wrong direction where hostile behavior by websites is normalized and hidden. Cookie banners show web site true colors. When someone asks me to share data with a thousand of "partners", I leave.

I agree. I think it's one of those things that people complain about because other people complain about. You have to click a button. Wow. What an ordeal. The title of this thread used the term "nightmare". I would be thankful that my life is so wonderful that clicking a button is considered a "nightmare". It's transparent and if you don't like it, don't go to that site.
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