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Chuck Moore: Colorforth has stopped working [video]

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Re: Chuck Moore: Colorforth has stopped working [video]

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Post by eternityforest »

beachy wrote: post #14
anyfoo wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's quite a dichotomy here. He can exercise his brain and ward off cognitive decline without working on Colorforth specifically...

Some people have trouble doing meaningless intellectual pursuits like crosswords, sudoku etc. Working on Colorforth might be the greatest meaning in his life.

I suppose there's meaning in searching for abstract logical truths, but he might have other such pursuits. Or, he might even feel that it's mostly done already and became just another boring software maintenance project.

It's hard to imagine an extremely niche software tool to be the greatest meaning in someone's life.

Re: Chuck Moore: Colorforth has stopped working [video]

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Post by mwcampbell »

bitwize wrote: post #16
delish wrote: post #3

Posting a quick TL;DW. A minute into the video Chuck Moore says that Windows updates (on 11 and 10) have caused colorForth to crash, with Chuck thinking it's a graphical problem. I may comment more, but I wanted to post this because I don't see it mentioned as a youtube comment.

Did Microsoft seriously deprecate BitBlt and 2D draw calls? If so, it seems as if Windows is undergoing a Waylandization. "Yeah, we went ahead and removed those because they're legacy. Modern rendering pipelines don't work that way anymore." I don't WANT a rendering pipeline! I want a surface, and to make calls to scribble on it! That's it!

> Did Microsoft seriously deprecate BitBlt and 2D draw calls?

Very unlikely. Far too many applications depend on those things. It's more likely that they accidentally changed something subtle that happened to break colorForth.

Re: Chuck Moore: Colorforth has stopped working [video]

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Post by actionfromafar »

bitwize wrote: post #24
aaron_m04 wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I could've sworn I saw something in the last month or two about BITBLT or DirectX changes on Windows.

It wouldn't surprise me to find that Windows is now flagging and quarantining unsigned, unfamiliar executables that it catches making these draw calls or really any direct Win32 calls. Microsoft, and in particular Windows Defender which you can't really turn off anymore, has gotten pretty aggressive about blocking software for "security purposes".

Are we going from "the only stable ABI on Linux is Wine", to "the only stable ABI is Wine"?

(Especially now that .NET Framework was donated to Wine...)

Re: Chuck Moore: Colorforth has stopped working [video]

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Post by burningChrome »

beachy wrote: post #14
anyfoo wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's quite a dichotomy here. He can exercise his brain and ward off cognitive decline without working on Colorforth specifically...

Some people have trouble doing meaningless intellectual pursuits like crosswords, sudoku etc. Working on Colorforth might be the greatest meaning in his life.

>> Some people have trouble doing meaningless intellectual pursuits like crosswords, sudoku etc.

My Dad is like this. I'm like this. My son is like this.

Unless we're busy, pushing ourselves to build something, fix something or just outside doing something we don't feel the reward.

My Dad told his motto, "A rolling rock gathers no moss - until it finally stops rolling." He told me that in his 50's - he's in his 80's still out in the garage refinishing old furniture and giving it away. The drive the man has just never burns out.

Re: Chuck Moore: Colorforth has stopped working [video]

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Post by II2II »

drcode wrote: post #17
Jblx2 wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't that part of the Forth mantra though, to be written to the lowest level possible, eschewing portability, interoperability, hard coding fonts, etc., to achieve the simplest, most minimal implementation possible? https://www.ultratechnology.com/forth.htm

must. not. go. too. deep. into. forth. rabbithole.

s" must" . s" not" . s" go" . s" too" . s" deep" . s" into" . s" forth" . s" rabbithole" .

When you go down the rabbit hole in Forth, it is easy to pop back out.

Re: Chuck Moore: Colorforth has stopped working [video]

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Post by Figs »

actionfromafar wrote: post #33
bitwize wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It wouldn't surprise me to find that Windows is now flagging and quarantining unsigned, unfamiliar executables that it catches making these draw calls or really any direct Win32 calls. Microsoft, and in particular Windows Defender which you can't really turn off anymore, has gotten pretty aggressive about blocking software for "security purposes".

Are we going from "the only stable ABI on Linux is Wine", to "the only stable ABI is Wine"? (Especially now that .NET Framework was donated to Wine...)

> Especially now that .NET Framework was donated to Wine...

Do you mean Mono, or did I miss something?

Re: Chuck Moore: Colorforth has stopped working [video]

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Post by pmcjones »

anadem wrote: post #26
atherton94027 wrote: post #4

Very impressive to see Chuck Moore still going at it at the age of 87. I hope at that age I'm able to handle the minutiae of programming!

Totally! At 87 that's gutsy! My very first paid programming work was in Forth on a 6502 platform in the '60s, building a networked accounting and flow management program for a water company, but I'm now 81 and very glad to be retired.

Was your work on the 6502 perhaps in the 70s?

Re: Chuck Moore: Colorforth has stopped working [video]

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Post by butvacuum »

actionfromafar wrote: post #33
bitwize wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It wouldn't surprise me to find that Windows is now flagging and quarantining unsigned, unfamiliar executables that it catches making these draw calls or really any direct Win32 calls. Microsoft, and in particular Windows Defender which you can't really turn off anymore, has gotten pretty aggressive about blocking software for "security purposes".

Are we going from "the only stable ABI on Linux is Wine", to "the only stable ABI is Wine"? (Especially now that .NET Framework was donated to Wine...)

Mono. Not .net fw.

Re: Chuck Moore: Colorforth has stopped working [video]

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Post by JSR_FDED »

delish wrote: post #3

Posting a quick TL;DW. A minute into the video Chuck Moore says that Windows updates (on 11 and 10) have caused colorForth to crash, with Chuck thinking it's a graphical problem. I may comment more, but I wanted to post this because I don't see it mentioned as a youtube comment.

I have yet to read one single story where people are actually happy with Windows 11.

Re: Chuck Moore: Colorforth has stopped working [video]

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Post by stronglikedan »

beachy wrote: post #8
7thaccount wrote: post #7

It is sad to see. I understand where he is coming from though. He is 87 and doesn't think recoding a super niche' software tool is the best use of what very well may be his last few years of life. He still seems super sharp though and is a major inspiration.

What would be the best use of his last few years? Sitting in an easy chair by the pool? Using your last few years to exercise your brain and ward off cognitive decline might be the best way to ensure those last few years are fulfilling and not just marking time before the end.

> What would be the best use of his last few years? Sitting in an easy chair by the pool?

That's completely up to him, and if that's what he wants to do, then that's the best use. No one can say what is best for anyone else.

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