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Re: Android/Linux Dual Boot

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Post by Ghoelian »

dugite-code wrote: post #16
charcircuit wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's already happening today. https://grapheneos.org/ But for the reason an antiquated os like postmarketos are suggested is that the project is being opportunistic thinking this is a chance they can be relevant. Additionally, the population of HN has more sentimental view on these legacy operating systems and view it as a chance to go back to the past and use software they are familiar with.

I really wanted to like Graphene OS but I ended up bouncing off it due to a few major pain points that badly effected battery life. - Using the default 5g setting resulted in far worse battery life than stock, telling people to choose 4g isn't a solution. They desperately need something like the adaptive connectivity service. - Using Homeassistant's GPS tracking feature just destroyed the battery life, even switching…

I don't recognise the 5g battery life issues personally. I do 100% agree the GPS thing is such a bad decision. It just becomes noise that no one pays attention to anymore.

I ended up using my public ip address in combination with a list of known ips for home and work and such, and building my HA automations around that. I wanted to do it with wifi SSID's, but that also requires the location permission and triggers the indicator (which is understandable, just wish I could still read SSID's with location services disabled entirely) (or, just let me disable the gps antenna and leave everything else).

Re: Android/Linux Dual Boot

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Post by zorked »

charcircuit wrote: post #26
m4rtink wrote: post #24

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How is Postmarket OS antiquated ? Its just a standard Linux distro (unlike anything Android based).

At least in regards to the security model, it is decades out of date. For example any app can listen to your microphone and spy on you at anytime. Programs can act as ransomeware or destroy all of your files. Stealers can steal your login credentials and access tokens for all your sites including banking ones.

I think people don't realize how inadequate the Unix security model is.

Re: Android/Linux Dual Boot

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Post by devsda »

cbolton wrote: post #22
24t wrote: post #17

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> sideloading It's called installing. Language matters and I see no reason to concede this point in Google's favour.

You can also install through the Play store. Sideloading is more specific.

Like hacking, sideloading is now a loaded & misunderstood term. It is considered as something only nerds or bad actors do.

Let's just call it alternate install.

Re: Android/Linux Dual Boot

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Post by dugite-code »

Ghoelian wrote: post #31
dugite-code wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I really wanted to like Graphene OS but I ended up bouncing off it due to a few major pain points that badly effected battery life. - Using the default 5g setting resulted in far worse battery life than stock, telling people to choose 4g isn't a solution. They desperately need something like the adaptive connectivity service. - Using Homeassistant's GPS tracking feature just destroyed the battery life, even switching…

I don't recognise the 5g battery life issues personally. I do 100% agree the GPS thing is such a bad decision. It just becomes noise that no one pays attention to anymore. I ended up using my public ip address in combination with a list of known ips for home and work and such, and building my HA automations around that. I wanted to do it with wifi SSID's, but that also requires the location permission and triggers th…

It certainly could be something else other than 5g but it's one of the first things that gets thrown around when battery drain is mentioned and the mobile internet was the main user of power on the phone.

Re: Android/Linux Dual Boot

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Post by mrighele »

devsda wrote: post #33
cbolton wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can also install through the Play store. Sideloading is more specific.

Like hacking, sideloading is now a loaded & misunderstood term. It is considered as something only nerds or bad actors do. Let's just call it alternate install.

Or manual install.

Re: Android/Linux Dual Boot

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Post by engeljohnb »

cbolton wrote: post #22
24t wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> sideloading It's called installing. Language matters and I see no reason to concede this point in Google's favour.

You can also install through the Play store. Sideloading is more specific.

I can install on my Fedora laptop through dnf. I've never felt like I needed a new word to describe downloading and running an AppImage. Why would phones be different?

Re: Android/Linux Dual Boot

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Post by exe34 »

mrighele wrote: post #35
devsda wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Like hacking, sideloading is now a loaded & misunderstood term. It is considered as something only nerds or bad actors do. Let's just call it alternate install.

Or manual install.

How about calling the other one "installing from the play store"? installing was there first.

Re: Android/Linux Dual Boot

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Post by metalman »

google/android/apple/microsft are fighting for there lives, as there is no reason for there continued existance all the important types of comunications can be hard coded into chips and operate free of any external OS, everything else is two way media, 95% of which can be handled on local networks what big tech is trying to build is something alien to human needs, false promises and enticements, faked up ideals bases on faked up images and outright lies served by monsterous AI data farms that look more and more like the set of "the matrix" the issue with that, is that it is essentialy empty and boring, demanding that the viewer suspends ANY judgement or discernment and further defend this completly impossible and artificial media creation as real. litteral zombies.

Re: Android/Linux Dual Boot

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Post by 24t »

geokon wrote: post #28
24t wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> sideloading It's called installing. Language matters and I see no reason to concede this point in Google's favour.

Doesn't feel like any conspiracy.. Isn't sideloading installing through adb instead of from the system itself? (by clicking on an APK or using an app Store like Xiaomi/Googled/Huawei/Fdroid) "Side" being.. from your computer

Yes but fdroid is facing restrictions while adb is not

Re: Android/Linux Dual Boot

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Post by griffzhowl »

24t wrote: post #17
toastal wrote: post #3

This will become increasingly important as Google has boiled the frog too fast while trying to force its new store policies + banning sideloading; however, all of the pieces are now in place for them to try again in a year or 2, which history shows us they will. It’s certainly time to start toying with Linux phones if you haven’t already. This year I picked up an Xperia 10 to flash Sailfish OS on—which has rough edge…

> sideloading It's called installing. Language matters and I see no reason to concede this point in Google's favour.

I agree with the ethos but "banning installing" wouldn't have been correct here.

There should be terminology for installing from the source of your choice which doesn't carry the marginal or sinister connotations of "sideloading" though.

"Freeloading" would have been a good one but... yeah

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