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A new documentary about the history of forced psychiatric treatment in Spain

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Re: A new documentary about the history of forced psychiatric treatment in Spain

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Post by rayiner »

3rodents wrote: post #2

A familiar story even today in the U.S: https://time.com/6997172/teen-torture-max-abuse-documentary/ “They are often a last resort for parents struggling with children with behavioral problems, suicidal thoughts, and substance abuse issues. Depending on the state, these rehab centers—a multi-billion-dollar industry—have few regulations, and there are no overarching federal standards governing them. Many are faith-bas…

Meanwhile, we have a crisis in the U.S. of people sleeping and dying in the streets because we shut down all the mental hospitals and involuntary commitment. Every system will have some percentage of adverse outcomes. Approaching the issue emotionally instead of dispassionately and with a view towards typical outcomes is an anti-social and dangerous approach.

Re: A new documentary about the history of forced psychiatric treatment in Spain

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Post by mothballed »

Aeolun wrote: post #17
mothballed wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yesterday a popular post here advocated that your kids finding porn means you are guilty of 'neglect.' That's a serious criminal charge and accusation. People will take drastic steps to avoid prison. Natural result of that is catch-22, parent can't actually stop teenage kids from such activity except through what amounts to torture. As always either way, the parent is damned.

Damn, my whole country must be guilty of neglect then!

Lol this is the USA. I've been interrogated when a stranger drove past my rather remote property, in the middle of nowhere, and saw that my child was walking about 50 feet "by herself" on her own fucking property(I was actually watching her, just from further away, so I was able to intervene before they called CPS).

Welcome to America where you must watch the kid every second until they turn 18, except at the moment they turn 18 they must be booted from the house to figure everything out all at once with nothing more than a minimum wage job, a gun, and rents that reach the stratosphere.

Re: A new documentary about the history of forced psychiatric treatment in Spain

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Post by zoklet-enjoyer »

plqbfbv wrote: post #24
3rodents wrote: post #2

A familiar story even today in the U.S: https://time.com/6997172/teen-torture-max-abuse-documentary/ “They are often a last resort for parents struggling with children with behavioral problems, suicidal thoughts, and substance abuse issues. Depending on the state, these rehab centers—a multi-billion-dollar industry—have few regulations, and there are no overarching federal standards governing them. Many are faith-bas…

If anybody wants to read a comic with the perspective of someone that went through one of these places and spent the years after fighting against them, I stumbled upon this one a few years ago: https://elan.school/ I am not in any way affiliated with the author, it's just one of the few books with real content that I've read in a long time.

Great comic and there's a documentary about that place. Very messed up that's it's a whole child abuse industry.

Re: A new documentary about the history of forced psychiatric treatment in Spain

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Post by layer8 »

NooneAtAll3 wrote: post #28
Aeolun wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn’t that relatively normal? They’re really easy to make. The ‘throw molotov cocktails’ are mentioned in the same sentence as ‘hand out leaflets’, which makes me feel the surrounding people were generally not panicking about the fire. Hard to say without reading the book though.

no throwing molotov cocktails is in NO way "normal"

Under a dictatorship it ought to be.

Re: A new documentary about the history of forced psychiatric treatment in Spain

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Post by crazygringo »

tiahura wrote: post #6

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I think there are points on both sides.

I think you're right that the BBC is being irresponsible in putting "my mum was a 17-year-old free spirit" in the headline -- even though it's a quote, it does imply a level of BBC editorial agreement with the characterization. It makes her sound like she was just an innocent hippie or something.

On the other hand, this wasn't vandalism for vandalism's sake. It was political protest against a dictatorship. It's not like she was engaging in criminal acts for the fun of it or for personal gain, so the snippet you choose is similarly misleading without the context of why.

Re: A new documentary about the history of forced psychiatric treatment in Spain

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Post by mothballed »

twodave wrote: post #20
mothballed wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yesterday a popular post here advocated that your kids finding porn means you are guilty of 'neglect.' That's a serious criminal charge and accusation. People will take drastic steps to avoid prison. Natural result of that is catch-22, parent can't actually stop teenage kids from such activity except through what amounts to torture. As always either way, the parent is damned.

Sounds like either someone with very young kids or else someone with a dismissive/naive parenting style. For kids born since the mid-80s “hiding the porn” has been a lot harder than locking magazines in a closet. It’s not a matter of if, but when. And however you feel about porn, it’s infinitely more important to help your kids feel safe talking to you about it than to try and prevent them ever seeing it. Kids who do…

>Sounds like either someone with very young kids or else someone with a dismissive/naive parenting style.

Increasingly this is what the tyranny of the majority is in the western world. People who don't have kids, or only limited experience with kids, declaring that parents are neglecting or abusing their children because they don't behave the way the hypothetical ideologically pure parent would. Almost every single one of them has a cell-phone and the second they see something they disapprove of they can call CPS at the drop of a hat and make your life a living hell, even if you are 'innocent' of even whatever BS they made up.

As always, it's just a smug attempt at moral superiority. They want the intoxicating power rush from threatening and imposing on parents, with none of the responsibility, and the state is all too happy to provide it to them. Just punish and then rest soundly knowing you have no kids of your own for which you could be prosecuted.

Re: A new documentary about the history of forced psychiatric treatment in Spain

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Post by ToValueFunfetti »

noelwelsh wrote: post #25
tiahura wrote: post #6

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Do you think "My mum was a 17-year-old free spirit - so she was locked up and put in a coma" could perhaps be the words of the person they interviewed? Could this perhaps by why it is written in the first-person? Where in the article does the BBC claim she was an "ordinary free-spirited girl"? What do you believe the purpose of this article is? Do you think it is advancing a policy agenda, in which case which policie…

The BBC has editorial control over their headlines. The wording in the article is unclear and it may not be a mischaracterization. But, assuming that it is, 'someone lied to us and so we put it into our headline' is not a defense that turns bad journalism into good.

Re: A new documentary about the history of forced psychiatric treatment in Spain

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Post by stuckinhell »

"Soon, Mariona joined her new friends on "raids": a few of them would block off a street, throw Molotov cocktails, hand out leaflets, and when the police turned up, scatter in every direction."

okay she threw molotov cocktails, she was lucky she wasn't imprisoned.

Re: A new documentary about the history of forced psychiatric treatment in Spain

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Post by stuckinhell »

3rodents wrote: post #2

A familiar story even today in the U.S: https://time.com/6997172/teen-torture-max-abuse-documentary/ “They are often a last resort for parents struggling with children with behavioral problems, suicidal thoughts, and substance abuse issues. Depending on the state, these rehab centers—a multi-billion-dollar industry—have few regulations, and there are no overarching federal standards governing them. Many are faith-bas…

She threw molotov cockatails I don't think it's similar at all.

she was lucky she wasn't imprisoned or executed

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