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When UPS charged me a $684 tariff on $355 of vintage computer parts

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Re: When UPS charged me a $684 tariff on $355 of vintage computer parts

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Post by tombert »

jleyank wrote: post #17
jeromegv wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While tariffs aren't a secret, they are a new reality for majority of americans. They never had to bother with any of that before they ended De Minimis, now every single package must go through a complicated import process and if you are somewhat inexperienced with it (as most people do), you might end up with UPS screwing up the paperwork and charging you wrongly hundreds of dollars. That's ultimately what the US ci…

The annoying thing about this setup is that people outside the us pay tariffs going both ways. They must pay the us tariffs to send into the us and then they must pay their countries tariffs receiving goods coming from the us. I read that the EU is ending de minimus in 2026. This is going to really put a hurt on small businesses like crafters, used bookstores, antique dealers, … Yeah, it’s what they voted for, but ha…

I still find it baffling that Trump managed to convince people that, somehow, "China" is paying these tariffs, despite the fact that that makes no fucking sense. These companies in China aren't charities; even if the exporter were the ones directly paying the tariffs, it would simply be baked into the price of the good being sold.

This really isn't hard. It's literally something I learned on the first day of high school economics.

Re: When UPS charged me a $684 tariff on $355 of vintage computer parts

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Post by Animats »

al_borland wrote: post #18

I had this happen with FedEx. They released the package and delivered it without me paying. I submitted a dispute, which they say could take up to 6 months to process. I hate having this hang over my head, as I don’t want anything going to collections, but figured if I paid it I would have a harder time getting my money back. Mine was for a watch I got serviced. My own watch that I shipped out being returned to me… n…

There's something called a "carnet" for that case.[1] When something is leaving the country temporarily but coming back, there's a way to register that. This comes up a lot if you're doing trade shows or performances.

[1] https://www.cbp.gov/trade/programs-administration/entry-summ...

Re: When UPS charged me a $684 tariff on $355 of vintage computer parts

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Post by AlotOfReading »

nandomrumber wrote: post #28
xxs wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

that's so beyond obviously a sarcastic remark. In that regard I'd consider a vast majority of the humans totally capable of detecting dead pan sarcasm both in spoken and written speech.

Isn’t there a well known internet adage that speaks to this? Do you remember what it is?

Cunningham's law

Re: When UPS charged me a $684 tariff on $355 of vintage computer parts

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Post by Coffeewine »

femiagbabiaka wrote: post #30
delichon wrote: post #25

If SCOTUS finds the tariffs unconstitutional in Learning Resources v. Trump, they should order refunds.

I would be surprised if the money was being held in escrow and could be refunded. Actually the Trump admin is using this as an argument to the SC as to why making the tariffs unconstitutional is a bad idea.

Indeed. The moral of the story is that it’s ideal to do illegal acts which are difficult to undo, as it’ll give the judiciary greater pause.

Re: When UPS charged me a $684 tariff on $355 of vintage computer parts

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Post by topato »

tombert wrote: post #31
jleyank wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The annoying thing about this setup is that people outside the us pay tariffs going both ways. They must pay the us tariffs to send into the us and then they must pay their countries tariffs receiving goods coming from the us. I read that the EU is ending de minimus in 2026. This is going to really put a hurt on small businesses like crafters, used bookstores, antique dealers, … Yeah, it’s what they voted for, but ha…

I still find it baffling that Trump managed to convince people that, somehow, "China" is paying these tariffs, despite the fact that that makes no fucking sense . These companies in China aren't charities; even if the exporter were the ones directly paying the tariffs, it would simply be baked into the price of the good being sold. This really isn't hard. It's literally something I learned on the first day of high sc…

Its scary how many things Trump says, claims that are roughly equivalent to, "1 + 2 = 4", which people just eat up as truth!

It feels like all the deficets in our education system (going back decades) are finally coming to roost... so many people lack critical thinking skills and media savvy/awareness. I think its too late to fix it, now that a sufficient majority of people are susceptible to this deception, and a sufficient chunk of politicians are willing to deceive them... there is too much motivation to keep them dumb. The hatred towards the "Intellectual Elite" is scary, and really is reminicent of Pol Pot.

Re: When UPS charged me a $684 tariff on $355 of vintage computer parts

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Post by mindcrime »

AlotOfReading wrote: post #34
nandomrumber wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn’t there a well known internet adage that speaks to this? Do you remember what it is?

Cunningham's law

What? No it's not, it's ...

Hang on a sec... you sly devil, you!

Not falling for that one. Hmmmpphhh.

Re: When UPS charged me a $684 tariff on $355 of vintage computer parts

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Post by Animats »

tombert wrote: post #31
jleyank wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The annoying thing about this setup is that people outside the us pay tariffs going both ways. They must pay the us tariffs to send into the us and then they must pay their countries tariffs receiving goods coming from the us. I read that the EU is ending de minimus in 2026. This is going to really put a hurt on small businesses like crafters, used bookstores, antique dealers, … Yeah, it’s what they voted for, but ha…

I still find it baffling that Trump managed to convince people that, somehow, "China" is paying these tariffs, despite the fact that that makes no fucking sense . These companies in China aren't charities; even if the exporter were the ones directly paying the tariffs, it would simply be baked into the price of the good being sold. This really isn't hard. It's literally something I learned on the first day of high sc…

> I still find it baffling that Trump managed to convince people that, somehow, "China" is paying these tariffs, despite the fact that that makes no fucking sense.

Right. In one forum where someone said that, I posted a U.S. Customs and Border Protection tariff bill. There really is a tax bill, and it has to be paid before you get the stuff.

Usually, there are customs brokers, and shippers acting as customs brokers, to buffer the end user from dealing with CBP directly on small shipments. You still pay.

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