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SlopStop: Community-driven AI slop detection in Kagi Search

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Re: SlopStop: Community-driven AI slop detection in Kagi Search

#31

The same company that slopifies news stories in their previous big "feature"? The irony.

Been using Kagi for two years now. Their consistent approach to AI is to offer it, but only when explicitly requested. This is not that surprising with that in mind.

Re: SlopStop: Community-driven AI slop detection in Kagi Search

#33

The same company that slopifies news stories in their previous big "feature"? The irony.

I think you're referencing https://kite.kagi.com/

In my view, it's different to ask AI to do something for me (summarizing the news) than it is to have someone serve me something that they generated with AI. Asking the service to summarize the news is exactly what the user is doing by using Kite—an AI tool for summarizing news.

(I'm a Kagi customer but I don't use Kite.)

Re: SlopStop: Community-driven AI slop detection in Kagi Search

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post #33

The same company that slopifies news stories in their previous big "feature"? The irony.

I think you're referencing https://kite.kagi.com/ In my view, it's different to ask AI to do something for me (summarizing the news) than it is to have someone serve me something that they generated with AI. Asking the service to summarize the news is exactly what the user is doing by using Kite—an AI tool for summarizing news. (I'm a Kagi customer but I don't use Kite.)

I'm just realizing that while I understand (and think it's obvious) that this tool uses AI to summarize the news, they don't really mention it on-page anywhere. Unless I'm missing it? I think they used to, but maybe I'm mis-remembering.

They do mention "Summaries may contain errors. Please verify important information." on the loading screen but I don't think that's good enough.

Re: SlopStop: Community-driven AI slop detection in Kagi Search

#35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes. People do not want AI generated content without explicit consent, and "slop" is a derogatory term for AI generated content, ergo, people are willing to pay money for working slop detection. I wasn't big on Kagi, but I dunno man , I'm suddenly willing to hear them out.

How about when English isn't someone's first language and they are using AI to rewrite their thoughts into something more cohesive? You see this a lot on reddit.

Not all AI generated content is slop. Translation is a great use case for LLMs, and almost certainly would not get someone flagged as slop if that is all they are doing with it.

Re: SlopStop: Community-driven AI slop detection in Kagi Search

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post #25

Though I'm still pissed at Kagi about their collaboration with Yandex, this particular kind of fight against AI slop has always striked me as a bit of Don Quixote vs windmill. AI slop eventually will get as good as your average blogger. Even now if you put an effort into prompting and context building, you can achieve 100% human like results. I am terrified of AI generated content taking over and consuming search eng…

> AI slop eventually will get as good as your average blogger. Even now if you put an effort into prompting and context building, you can achieve 100% human like results.

In that case, I don't think I consider it "AI slop"—it's "AI something else". If you think everything generated by AI is slop (I won't argue that point), you don't really need the "slop" descriptor.

Re: SlopStop: Community-driven AI slop detection in Kagi Search

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post #25

Though I'm still pissed at Kagi about their collaboration with Yandex, this particular kind of fight against AI slop has always striked me as a bit of Don Quixote vs windmill. AI slop eventually will get as good as your average blogger. Even now if you put an effort into prompting and context building, you can achieve 100% human like results. I am terrified of AI generated content taking over and consuming search eng…

> Even now if you put an effort into prompting and context building, you can achieve 100% human like results.

Are we personally comfortable with such an approach? For example, if you discover your favorite blogger doing this.

Re: SlopStop: Community-driven AI slop detection in Kagi Search

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post #25

Though I'm still pissed at Kagi about their collaboration with Yandex, this particular kind of fight against AI slop has always striked me as a bit of Don Quixote vs windmill. AI slop eventually will get as good as your average blogger. Even now if you put an effort into prompting and context building, you can achieve 100% human like results. I am terrified of AI generated content taking over and consuming search eng…

> Even now if you put an effort into prompting and context building, you can achieve 100% human like results. Are we personally comfortable with such an approach? For example, if you discover your favorite blogger doing this.

Should we care? It's a tool. If you can manage to make it look original, then what can we do about it? Eventually you won't be able to detect it.

Re: SlopStop: Community-driven AI slop detection in Kagi Search

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post #36
post #25

Though I'm still pissed at Kagi about their collaboration with Yandex, this particular kind of fight against AI slop has always striked me as a bit of Don Quixote vs windmill. AI slop eventually will get as good as your average blogger. Even now if you put an effort into prompting and context building, you can achieve 100% human like results. I am terrified of AI generated content taking over and consuming search eng…

> AI slop eventually will get as good as your average blogger. Even now if you put an effort into prompting and context building, you can achieve 100% human like results. In that case, I don't think I consider it "AI slop "—it's "AI something else ". If you think everything generated by AI is slop (I won't argue that point), you don't really need the "slop" descriptor.

Then the fight Kagi is proposing is against bad AI content, not AI content per-se? Then that's very subjective...
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