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Re: US House approves bill to end longest government shutdown in history

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Post by LexiMax » Thu, Nov 13, 2025, 3:50 PM UTC

Tadpole9181 wrote: post #25

mothballed wrote: post #24

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I promise I won't criticize your response, but what would you do if you were Schumer and Republicans refused to budge no matter what? Realistically, doing nothing or voting neys means nuking the filibuster, but getting the same outcome, which might be even worse, and in the interim SNAP and others not getting paid.

I wish I could quote Schumer when he walked down by the river (as he does, since he's a very cool and relatable layperson) as he cursed in front of a camera to say they will not back down. Can't seem to find the video though. Anyway, I'd make them either own the shutdown or take responsibility for forcing the bill through. I'm not giving them an out, they will answer for the suffering they create by not negotiating.…

I actually think that there were two possible outcomes. One of them involved killing the filibuster. The other was widespread unrest from all corners of the United States - the kind that that comes from all political alignments, the kind that police and untrained thugs roleplaying as peace officers are wholly unequipped to handle.

I can see how that would be unappealing to a career politician who values stability at all costs. After all, a military junta would mean that he would be out of a job with no other marketable skills. Poor guy would probably have to sell one of his properties to get by.

Re: US House approves bill to end longest government shutdown in history

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Post by mindslight » Thu, Nov 13, 2025, 3:52 PM UTC

rufus_foreman wrote: post #28

anon7000 wrote: post #21

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For reference, 400% of the poverty line is $60k for a single person, or $85k for a couple

For further reference, a 55 year old early retiree who wants to spend $400,000 during the year might sell $400,000 of stock with a cost basis of $200,000 and pay a little over $60k capital gains tax. The question here is should we continue to subsidize health insurance for that person? Should taxpayers who can work and do work pay for the health insurance of wealthy people who can work and don't work? It does not sou…

Your example is an income of $200k, not $60k. So no, that person is not being subsidized.

But yes, our tax system is horribly biased towards those who get to manage their income level or business deductions. W-2 worker bees can't even deduct the cost of the car they need to get to work.

Re: US House approves bill to end longest government shutdown in history

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Post by rufus_foreman » Thu, Nov 13, 2025, 3:59 PM UTC

bediger4000 wrote: post #4

infamouscow wrote: post #3

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This is correct. The Democrats are in a new world. They've lost a cultural and information hegemony they had for 40 years, and thus, the playbook of the past doesn't work (for a variety of reasons).

The 48 years from 1932 to 1980, maybe. The US has been decidedly conservative since Reagan. SCOTUS hasn't been liberal since Nixon got Rehnquist as chief justice.

>> SCOTUS hasn't been liberal since Nixon got Rehnquist as chief justice

The Rehnquist court made rulings that allowed burning the US flag, that made abortion even easier to get than under Roe, that upheld affirmative action, that struck down sodomy laws, and that ruled that political speech was not protected by the First Amendment.

The main conservative rulings it made were minor restrictions on the commerce clause.

Conservatism in the judicial branch began with the confirmation of Ed Meese as US Attorney General during Reagan's second term.

Re: US House approves bill to end longest government shutdown in history

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Post by bediger4000 » Thu, Nov 13, 2025, 5:47 PM UTC

jalapenos wrote: post #17

bediger4000 wrote: post #4

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The 48 years from 1932 to 1980, maybe. The US has been decidedly conservative since Reagan. SCOTUS hasn't been liberal since Nixon got Rehnquist as chief justice.

The US is conservative? Are we talking about the same place that's been the social justice woke ideology fountainhead since forever? The one where a man can one day declare he's now a woman because he say's so - and that'll get him on the cover of a magazine as a "hero"? What's your starting point for left - Mao?

Very little of that is true. We as a nation, just went through demonization of "woke" and spent a lot of effort getting rid of what DEI we had. "Woke", "DEI", "CRT", social justice and "BLM" are now officially and de facto anathema. We've had lawsuits over them, they lost.

On the other hand, movement conservatism is anathema as well. Free trade is out, state's rights abandoned, except maybe as the exception that proves the rule, governmental power concentrated in Trump personally, rather than small, local government, representative democracy, lower taxes, less regulation, rule of law. Freedom of speech reduced to conservative speech getting special treatment. All also gone. Weird.