I m not sure about the problem here, lyrics are public you can search '$songname lyrics' and get the result in a website (or even at the search engine page). What's the issue with an LLM producing those lyrics if you ask?
OpenAI may not use lyrics without license, German court rules
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Re: OpenAI may not use lyrics without license, German court rules
#32*edit. Will this actually change OpenAI's behaviour to any meaningful extent?
Does what a US court rules really matter?
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#33*edit. Will this actually change OpenAI's behaviour to any meaningful extent?
It does in Germany? And quite likely in the rest of the EU?
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#34Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yeah? Which commercial provider’s model do you think was trained without using lyrics?
I would imagine providers who want to comply will scan the LLM's output and pay a license fee to the owner if it contains lyrics.
They scan for commercial work already. Isn’t the law about training, not output?
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#35While I partially understand (but not support) the hate against AI due to possible plagiarism and "low effort generation" of works, think about the whole process: If model providers will be liable for generating output, that resembles lyrics or very short texts that fall under copyright laws, they will just change their business model.
E.g. why offering lame chat agents as a service, when you can keep the value generation in-house. E.g. have a strategy board that identifies possible use cases for your model, then spin off a company that just does agentic coding, music generation. Just cut off the end users/public form the model access, and flood the market with AI generated apps/content/works yourself (or with selected partners). Then have a lawyer checking right before publishing.
So this court decision may turn everything worse? I don't know.
Re: OpenAI may not use lyrics without license, German court rules
#36Earlier quoted context omitted.
There are many competing providers of commercial LLMs with equal capabilities, so another vendor would probably be happy to serve a leading Western market of 83 million people.
Yeah? Which commercial provider’s model do you think was trained without using lyrics?
The point is that some other vendor will do the work to implement the filtering required by Germany even if OpenAI doesn't.
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#37With AI slop showing up everywhere, there’s a real danger that folks will just no longer be motivated to produce real original content. With all major models not basically trained on nearly all available data, beyond the financial AI bubble about to burst there’s also a big content bubble that’s about exhausted as folks are just pumping out slop vs producing original creative human output. That may be the ultimate lo…
AI slop is like 90’s websites and desktop publishing - there’s a novelty for AI-newbie-creators driving them to churn out lazy crap, while being oblivious to how it lands with strangers.
Tastes will mature, society will more vocally mock this crap, and we’ll stop seeing the sloppier stuff come out of reputable locations.
Re: OpenAI may not use lyrics without license, German court rules
#38I m not sure about the problem here, lyrics are public you can search '$songname lyrics' and get the result in a website (or even at the search engine page). What's the issue with an LLM producing those lyrics if you ask?
They aren't! They're subject to licensing!
https://www.digitaltrends.com/social-media/rap-genius-deserv... (2013)
Long ago the first site I remember to do this was lyrics.ch, which was long since shut down by litigation. I'm not endorsing the status quo here, but if the licensing system exists it is obviously unfair to exempt parties from it simply because they're too big to comply.
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#39I m not sure about the problem here, lyrics are public you can search '$songname lyrics' and get the result in a website (or even at the search engine page). What's the issue with an LLM producing those lyrics if you ask?
Just because you can find them freely online doesn't make them public in the legal sense. If that was the case music piracy would also be legal.