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Redmond, WA, turns off Flock Safety cameras after ICE arrests

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Re: Redmond, WA, turns off Flock Safety cameras after ICE arrests

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Post by uoaei »

ls612 wrote: post #29
willk wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t buy that for a second. Governments always want more control, and this is just another way for them to get it.

But the sorts of ICE actions that are causing this controversy only have political support because the US immigration laws have been flouted for 30+ years. Regardless of what you or I think of it it’s the reality that lots of the electorate wants deportations and lots of them and that likely isn’t true in a world where the laws on the books were more strictly enforced in the past.

Red herring. Political support is due to mass media narrative campaigns, in this day and age groundswell politics is simply infeasible with the power that narrative has in today's culture.

Re: Redmond, WA, turns off Flock Safety cameras after ICE arrests

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Post by aerostable_slug »

gdulli wrote: post #21
supportengineer wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Until someone you love gets abducted, and then you want them to be found right now .

There's a reason we don't have people recently affected by a tragedy write policy regarding that tragedy, in their heightened emotional state.

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Re: Redmond, WA, turns off Flock Safety cameras after ICE arrests

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Post by hobs »

ls612 wrote: post #29
willk wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t buy that for a second. Governments always want more control, and this is just another way for them to get it.

But the sorts of ICE actions that are causing this controversy only have political support because the US immigration laws have been flouted for 30+ years. Regardless of what you or I think of it it’s the reality that lots of the electorate wants deportations and lots of them and that likely isn’t true in a world where the laws on the books were more strictly enforced in the past.

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Re: Redmond, WA, turns off Flock Safety cameras after ICE arrests

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Post by ahmeneeroe-v2 »

notepad0x90 wrote: post #20
focusgroup0 wrote: post #7

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on the books immigration law has been broken for decades. do you expect people across the border wait a decade to get their turn for an immigration interview only to be turned down, when they can just cross the border? When laws become impractical, they create 11 million law breakers.

>when they can just cross the border

This is also a choice for the people in charge of the border. Enforcing a border is a solved problem for a rich, large-population nation.

Re: Redmond, WA, turns off Flock Safety cameras after ICE arrests

#35

Post by ReflectedImage »

ls612 wrote: post #29
willk wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t buy that for a second. Governments always want more control, and this is just another way for them to get it.

But the sorts of ICE actions that are causing this controversy only have political support because the US immigration laws have been flouted for 30+ years. Regardless of what you or I think of it it’s the reality that lots of the electorate wants deportations and lots of them and that likely isn’t true in a world where the laws on the books were more strictly enforced in the past.

But if they hadn't been flouted, the US would be a dirt farm specializing in the farming and production of dirt. Hacker news wouldn't even exist.

Re: Redmond, WA, turns off Flock Safety cameras after ICE arrests

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Post by ls612 »

uoaei wrote: post #31
ls612 wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But the sorts of ICE actions that are causing this controversy only have political support because the US immigration laws have been flouted for 30+ years. Regardless of what you or I think of it it’s the reality that lots of the electorate wants deportations and lots of them and that likely isn’t true in a world where the laws on the books were more strictly enforced in the past.

Red herring. Political support is due to mass media narrative campaigns, in this day and age groundswell politics is simply infeasible with the power that narrative has in today's culture.

Political support is due to people voting for it, and in the US system that is the arbiter of who will get to enact their policies.

Re: Redmond, WA, turns off Flock Safety cameras after ICE arrests

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Post by Eisenstein »

cipehr wrote: post #24

A little annoyed, this seems like is has nothing to do with the ICE arrests ... > The city suspended its Flock system because city officials could not guarantee they wouldn’t be forced to release data collected by those devices someday, she said. Key part is " someday ". Seems like the article is implying that flock may have shared this data with ICE which led to the arrests... but there is no proof supporting this..…

I think we need to revise our understanding of expectation of privacy. The 'you have no expectation of privacy when you are outside' bit was formed before we had everything recording us and before face recognition could track us.

At the very least I think any kind of face recognition should require probable cause.

Re: Redmond, WA, turns off Flock Safety cameras after ICE arrests

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Post by cipehr »

cipehr wrote: post #24

A little annoyed, this seems like is has nothing to do with the ICE arrests ... > The city suspended its Flock system because city officials could not guarantee they wouldn’t be forced to release data collected by those devices someday, she said. Key part is " someday ". Seems like the article is implying that flock may have shared this data with ICE which led to the arrests... but there is no proof supporting this..…

I can't stand this type of "journalism"/sensationalism.

> Redmond’s Police Department was not among those listed in the report, and has never allowed external agencies to access their Flock data without requesting and receiving permission from the police chief first, according to an Oct. 24 statement by Lowe.

So because the arrests were near a Flock Camera the "journalist" is connecting the two? Even with the statements an information to the contrary?

:(

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