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Europe to decide if 6 GHz is shared between Wi-Fi and cellular networks

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Re: Europe to decide if 6 GHz is shared between Wi-Fi and cellular networks

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Post by littlestymaar »

a2800276 wrote: post #20
rsynnott wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Register know very well what the EU is. However, in practice, the EU is colloquially referred to as "Europe" in many contexts in the UK. The rules the EU establishes will also apply to the EEA, and in practice will almost certainly also be adopted by the UK, which has tended to take its lead from the EU on such matters since Brexit. So, while pedantically these are not rules for Europe, _for practical purposes_ t…

Also, most people are aware that "Europe" the continent is unlikely to make such decisions, so it's pretty obvious what's meant by context.

It's not obvious at all actually, since there are many European things that also affect Island, Norway and Switzerland for being part of EFTA, but an equally high number of things that don't.

And even the EU itself is pretty fragmented with various overlapping areas with different rules.

As someone who's studied European relations, I can tell you that it's a real mess, and the fact that journalists don't accurately reporting the facts definitely isn't helpful.

Re: Europe to decide if 6 GHz is shared between Wi-Fi and cellular networks

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Post by martinald »

Tbh it's probably much more useful for mobile operators than wifi. 6GHz does not propagate well at all at wifi power limits and as such one 320MHz band probably won't overlap much with neighbours, even in apartment buildings. This does preclude having 640MHz bands though in future wifi standards, but I'm not sure how important that is - Wifi7 on MLO could theoretically deliver 7.2gbit/sec in 2x2 config and double that again in 4x4. If devices need more speed (laptops more than phones) then they can move to 4x4 more?

Whereas for mobile operators it would be very useful in outdoor/indoor (airports etc) urban areas that are very busy.

Re: Europe to decide if 6 GHz is shared between Wi-Fi and cellular networks

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Post by Aardwolf »

rsynnott wrote: post #7
embedding-shape wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Register, being British, should probably have gotten this right, but people constantly get this wrong. Even a lot of people living in the union don't even realize the different between EU, Europe, EEA, Schengen and all the other layers, so maybe it's hard to blame "outsiders" from not getting it either. I'm guessing maybe the "European Commission" threw them off, because it's an EU entity (basically the executive…

The Register know very well what the EU is. However, in practice, the EU is colloquially referred to as "Europe" in many contexts in the UK. The rules the EU establishes will also apply to the EEA, and in practice will almost certainly also be adopted by the UK, which has tended to take its lead from the EU on such matters since Brexit. So, while pedantically these are not rules for Europe, _for practical purposes_ t…

What continent does UK consider itself part of then?

Re: Europe to decide if 6 GHz is shared between Wi-Fi and cellular networks

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Post by ttoinou »

afavour wrote: post #30
hk__2 wrote: post #3

EU, not Europe.

I think people understand that a continent isn’t making decisions.

To be really pedantic we should acknowledge there's no good reason to separate Europe from Asia, it's all one geographical continent.

The distinction between EU and Europe is very important. They're "word stealing" something as neutral as a geographical concept, to make it political.

But in this case here, probably if EU legislate on this, others non-EU european countries will follow

Re: Europe to decide if 6 GHz is shared between Wi-Fi and cellular networks

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Post by ttoinou »

a2800276 wrote: post #20
rsynnott wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Register know very well what the EU is. However, in practice, the EU is colloquially referred to as "Europe" in many contexts in the UK. The rules the EU establishes will also apply to the EEA, and in practice will almost certainly also be adopted by the UK, which has tended to take its lead from the EU on such matters since Brexit. So, while pedantically these are not rules for Europe, _for practical purposes_ t…

Also, most people are aware that "Europe" the continent is unlikely to make such decisions, so it's pretty obvious what's meant by context.

There are others ways to coordinates european countries than EU institutions

Re: Europe to decide if 6 GHz is shared between Wi-Fi and cellular networks

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Post by rsynnott »

Aardwolf wrote: post #33
rsynnott wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Register know very well what the EU is. However, in practice, the EU is colloquially referred to as "Europe" in many contexts in the UK. The rules the EU establishes will also apply to the EEA, and in practice will almost certainly also be adopted by the UK, which has tended to take its lead from the EU on such matters since Brexit. So, while pedantically these are not rules for Europe, _for practical purposes_ t…

What continent does UK consider itself part of then?

Context matters; you can generally tell whether someone's talking politics or geography.

Re: Europe to decide if 6 GHz is shared between Wi-Fi and cellular networks

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Post by [deleted] »

ttoinou wrote: post #34
afavour wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think people understand that a continent isn’t making decisions.

To be really pedantic we should acknowledge there's no good reason to separate Europe from Asia, it's all one geographical continent. The distinction between EU and Europe is very important. They're "word stealing" something as neutral as a geographical concept, to make it political. But in this case here, probably if EU legislate on this, others non-EU european countries will follow

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Re: Europe to decide if 6 GHz is shared between Wi-Fi and cellular networks

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Post by Xenoamorphous »

_w04p wrote: post #12
NoboruWataya wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think most people realise there is a difference. If nothing else, Brexit made it very clear to those who didn't already know that you can be in this part of the world but not in the EU. But rightly or wrongly, people still use "Europe" as shorthand for "the European Union". It's no different to referring to the US as "America". I do think the media should aim to do better so agree that the Register should have used…

I find your comparison not so convincing. While there is some common misidentification between the EU and Europe, I’ve never heard anyone in the world refer to “America” in a way that was not for the United States.

Maybe in English. In Spanish (and we’re a bunch, the native Spanish speakers) I guarantee that if you say “América” you’re referring to the continent. The country is “Estados Unidos” (United States) or its abbreviation, EEUU. And its citizens, “estadounidenses”, not “americanos”.

Re: Europe to decide if 6 GHz is shared between Wi-Fi and cellular networks

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Post by wtmt »

> In response, the Wi-Fi Alliance and the DSA are trying to stoke fears that such a move would severely dent Europe's digital development, claiming Wi-Fi is the primary way consumers access the internet and constraining it would impact progress.

Just today, there’s a news report in India where the major telecom companies have lobbied that the entire 6 GHz band be reserved for mobile services and that even part of it shouldn’t be left for unlicensed WiFi. [1]

The problem in India is that the penetration of wired broadband is very low, and the telcos don’t seem to be interested in expanding it as much as they are in grabbing more of wireless spectrum.

I don’t believe it’s a good move to reserve these exclusively for mobile services. We (in general) need more unlicensed spectrum for innovation. Let the companies figure out another way out.

I also know that these bands are already allowed for unlicensed WiFi use in the US.

[1]: https://telecom.economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/industry/j...

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