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Re: Operating Margins

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post #23

“Your margin is my opportunity” Absent a true monopoly or government protection high margin businesses are usually those most ripe for disruption. Someone eventually comes along and, for various reasons, is willing to make far lower margin and then the battle begins. Lots of sleepy high margin businesses out there just waiting to get picked off by a new entrant.

Margins are also high based on brand. But software by definition should be a high marginal profit business.

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#32
hmm yes but also most great startups have a negative operating margin on paper since they re-invest almost all their earnings into development, marketing, etc... just dividing earnings by revenue won't give meaningful insight in most companies that intend to grow or expand.

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#33
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> Divide a company's income by its revenue If I'm a person who believes income is the same thing as revenue, how would you explain this division to me in a way I'd understand? Or does "income" in this case mean "profit"?

Revenue is what you sell your product for. Income is what you sit with after all the expenses and taxes have been deducted from the retail price. Let's say you create some product, XYZ, which takes you exactly 5 hours to make. The materials to make the product costs you $50, the salary costs $100 ($20/hr * 5 hours), the shop costs (rent, utilities, etc.) costs roughly $5 pr product. And the things involved in selling…

I believe that for operating income which would be used to calculate operating margin, taxes are not yet deducted.

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I found the per calculation highly suspicious, especially the first row: > Country Median Margin Average Margin Sample Size > South Africa 28.86% 82.37% 7 How can the average be 82% with a median being 28% without having one that is above 100%?

Certainly possible if their calculation of income included non operating income otherwise excluded from revenue. (Eg. A gain on sale that dwarfs the underlying business). Such presentation is prevalent and a disclosure of “gross profit” isn’t uniformly required under GAAP

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post #6

This is an excellent article, but the graph is unreadable on mobile even with a relatively large screen.

For the benefit of you and other small viewport users, here's an image of the plot, with a line indicating where the median is the same as the mean. https://i.xkqr.org/medianvsmeanmargin.png Though I do recommend exploring the plot on a full-size monitor too – it's zoomable etc.

Thanks. Guess you hacked the Plot.ly widget? Graph also needed dotted lines for 0s in y and x axis since some data points are close to those values.

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Operating margin doesn't include interest or taxes; it is an incomplete ratio (but any single ratio will be incomplete) when comparing companies across industries with different capital expense levels, debt levels, and tax exposures.

This article compares the gross profit vs. net profit differences by industry.

https://www.venasolutions.com/blog/average-profit-margin-by-...

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hmm yes but also most great startups have a negative operating margin on paper since they re-invest almost all their earnings into development, marketing, etc... just dividing earnings by revenue won't give meaningful insight in most companies that intend to grow or expand.

Reinvestments in the business factor into a different ratio. This only factors operating expenses.

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If you enjoyed this you'll probably also enjoy "The Games People Play With Cash Flow" [0]

And for the classic HN comment about the site itself: I think it looks very nice, but the native justification algorithm is not very good (especially with hyphenation turned off) so it ends up looking quite sparse at parts on mobile and is a bit jarring to read. I'm a big fan of this implementation [1] of the TeX linebreak algorithm for the web, and think it would make this site look even better with minimal effort.

[0] https://commoncog.com/cash-flow-games/

[1] https://github.com/robertknight/tex-linebreak

Re: Operating Margins

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post #24

Good article although especially in tech it’s not so simple. Thanks to games with depreciation and other financial engineering a company may look “profitable” but still be quite unhealthy or at risk. One generally needs to look at “profit” in the context of cash flow. I.e. a company could be “profitable” but also basically broke at the same time with no cash to pay people or suppliers.

It skews the other way just as often in my experience. That large clump at 10% has some wildly profitable businesses in it.
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