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BYD Pulls Ahead of Tesla in UK, Closes Sales Gap in Germany

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Re: BYD Pulls Ahead of Tesla in UK, Closes Sales Gap in Germany

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Post by rsynnott »

hshdhdhj4444 wrote: post #19
breve wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They’ve both had a huge window to win the future of the European car market (EVs) and failed to do so Volkswagen sells the most EVs in Europe. In fact, Volkswagen's EV market share in Europe is currently the highest it's ever been: https://eu-evs.com/marketShare/ALL/Groups/Line/All-time-by-Q... Volkswagen owns many brands (VW, Audi, Porsche, Skoda, Cupra, etc.). Their sales are split across many brands and models.

Thanks. I didn’t realize the Volkswagen family of brands was so large. I was thinking specifically about the VW brand itself.

> I was thinking specifically about the VW brand itself.

VW seem to have been consciously moving attention away from the VW brand for a while. In particular, brands like SEAT and Skoda, which a few decades ago were primarily local brands, are now promoted Europe-wide.

Re: BYD Pulls Ahead of Tesla in UK, Closes Sales Gap in Germany

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Post by constantcrying »

embedding-shape wrote: post #28
constantcrying wrote: post #27

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To be honest I am a bit disgusted how you treat someone who is trying to help you and is trying to explain to you what the 1300km means. Again it is not just marketing, it is a metric for comparison. I am trying to explain to you that asking for others people experience is not going to help you. Because one person will only ever get 700km of range and another person will easily get 1100km of range. Making a buying de…

I don't know if you've spent too much time "answering" questions on Stack Overflow or what the problem is, but I'm not asking about how WLTP works or what single variable I should use for a purchasing decision. All I asked for is people's personal experience. You don't have that, that's fine, but don't claim you're trying to help someone when you're actively steering the conversation away from what I'm asking about.…

I just answered the question you should be asking. I did not answer the question, which has no possibility of helping you with making an informed decision.

Re: BYD Pulls Ahead of Tesla in UK, Closes Sales Gap in Germany

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Post by rstuart4133 »

epolanski wrote: post #4

They make good cars, they deserve to sell. But imho the king of EVs in Europe by the end of the decade are going to be Volkswagen and Stellantis. No foreign car company really stands a chance in the European market imho (besides Toyota of course).

I have a Tesla, and have driven BYD's. The BYD computer system started to run so slowly it's voice driving directions became unrecognizable, then it rebooted itself while on the highway. After rebooting it worked for a while, then the voice started stuttering again. Do do get of lot of BYD for your money, but there is lot of sizzle compared to the Tesla sausage.

Tesla cop's a lot of crap. Most of it about is how they perform relative to Elon's promises. That's an awfully high bar, as no car a consumer can buy can come close to what Elon been promising for Tesla. Despite missing that bar by miles, the reality is they are probably the best EV you can buy right now, but they priced accordingly, at a premium (albeit not a huge one).

My primary concern about Tesla is whether it will exist in it's current form in 5 or 10 years time. You can't trust a word it's CEO says, it's meme stock whose share price must tank to a fraction of it's current value and it's corporate vision seems to be more focused humanoid robots than cars. It's competitors will catch up.

I'm told Tesla's are hard to repair, but their support is stellar where I live. A man who only works on Tesls's fixed the tail light my wife smashed while it was parked at home, and upgraded a few other things, all for free. Their charging network is second to none. While all that continues, I recon they deserve to sell a lot of cars. I hope it continues.

Re: BYD Pulls Ahead of Tesla in UK, Closes Sales Gap in Germany

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Post by embedding-shape »

constantcrying wrote: post #32
embedding-shape wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know if you've spent too much time "answering" questions on Stack Overflow or what the problem is, but I'm not asking about how WLTP works or what single variable I should use for a purchasing decision. All I asked for is people's personal experience. You don't have that, that's fine, but don't claim you're trying to help someone when you're actively steering the conversation away from what I'm asking about.…

I just answered the question you should be asking. I did not answer the question, which has no possibility of helping you with making an informed decision.

Which again, you don't even know if I've already answered that question myself or not, but go ahead, continue to assume what people want instead of listening, usually turns out well for people.

And for the question you should be asking yourself: Yes, yes you should.

Re: BYD Pulls Ahead of Tesla in UK, Closes Sales Gap in Germany

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Post by cheikhcheikh »

constantcrying wrote: post #32
embedding-shape wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know if you've spent too much time "answering" questions on Stack Overflow or what the problem is, but I'm not asking about how WLTP works or what single variable I should use for a purchasing decision. All I asked for is people's personal experience. You don't have that, that's fine, but don't claim you're trying to help someone when you're actively steering the conversation away from what I'm asking about.…

I just answered the question you should be asking. I did not answer the question, which has no possibility of helping you with making an informed decision.

The ony disgusting part of this thread is The arrogance in your comments, and this last one seals it

Re: BYD Pulls Ahead of Tesla in UK, Closes Sales Gap in Germany

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Post by fakedang »

epolanski wrote: post #4

They make good cars, they deserve to sell. But imho the king of EVs in Europe by the end of the decade are going to be Volkswagen and Stellantis. No foreign car company really stands a chance in the European market imho (besides Toyota of course).

Stellantis is garbage.

Volkswagen is en route to become garbage.

Ever driven a Chinese car? European generics don't hold a candle against them. And European cars can no longer claim a premium for higher standards - Chinese cars come with both reasonably good quality and more importantly in this climate, value for money. The only hard part currently is spare parts availability but that's very easy for the Chinese to rectify.

Re: BYD Pulls Ahead of Tesla in UK, Closes Sales Gap in Germany

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Post by fakedang »

rstuart4133 wrote: post #33
epolanski wrote: post #4

They make good cars, they deserve to sell. But imho the king of EVs in Europe by the end of the decade are going to be Volkswagen and Stellantis. No foreign car company really stands a chance in the European market imho (besides Toyota of course).

I have a Tesla, and have driven BYD's. The BYD computer system started to run so slowly it's voice driving directions became unrecognizable, then it rebooted itself while on the highway. After rebooting it worked for a while, then the voice started stuttering again. Do do get of lot of BYD for your money, but there is lot of sizzle compared to the Tesla sausage. Tesla cop's a lot of crap. Most of it about is how they…

The last point is very subjective. Tesla repairs are a hit and mostly miss. Their official repair channel became so bad within the span of a few years (post Covid). Their service quality drops like a cliff after the first year. You're fine if you find a stellar independent mechanic who works mostly on Teslas, but they are very few and hard to come by.
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