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Re: Stepping Down as Framework Linux Community Ambassadors

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Post by omnimus »

darthnebula wrote: post #20

I really hope Framework ignores these people. They are not Linux Ambassadors, they are political activists. These people only care about their ideology and anyone who doesn't blindly follow it gets defamed. I, and I would imagine many, are tired of this sort of binary thinking. You are either part of the problem or part of the solution. Society can't function like this.

What is their ideology? Being political activists? How?

These are two people stepping down from community position because they don't agree with actions/direction of the project. There is nothing bizarre about that. They posted why they don't agree and that's it.

Re: Stepping Down as Framework Linux Community Ambassadors

#32

Post by omnimus »

api wrote: post #15
sjfkeifj wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Allow me to explain through an example: When I protest that LLMs stole the collective creative output of all of humanity and are now trying to sell it back to us to supplant human creative output, or that it is an ecological, or economic, disaster, further consolidating wealth and power in a few narcissistic sociopaths, and defendants reply, "bUt ThE CApAbIlitIEs!!1!"

That’s not a problem with LLMs as a technology. It’s a problem with how LLM companies have been allowed to violate copyright at industrial scale. It’s a political and social problem. The same indictment can be made about search companies and social media: that they are monetizing others work without compensation. Or is there something about the tech that requires that it be deployed in this way? My position is that L…

So you identify the problems. I guess they happened out of thin air? The broken copyright has been allowed by someone... someone BAD!

Or maybe the companies broke the law, lobbied as much as possible, broke the law more, then bribed anyone with political power until they got to god emperor himself who said “this is progress”. And everything was just fine.

But that would mean that technology is political issue.

Re: Stepping Down as Framework Linux Community Ambassadors

#35

Post by grigio »

grimblee wrote: post #29

1. Fascists should be fought everywhere and all the time so their ideas never get normalized. 2. Everything we do is political, tech is VERY political, stop daydreaming. A tolerant society cannot tolerate intolerance lest it gets destroyed by it.

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Re: Stepping Down as Framework Linux Community Ambassadors

#36

Post by [deleted] »

omnimus wrote: post #32
api wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s not a problem with LLMs as a technology. It’s a problem with how LLM companies have been allowed to violate copyright at industrial scale. It’s a political and social problem. The same indictment can be made about search companies and social media: that they are monetizing others work without compensation. Or is there something about the tech that requires that it be deployed in this way? My position is that L…

So you identify the problems. I guess they happened out of thin air? The broken copyright has been allowed by someone... someone BAD! Or maybe the companies broke the law, lobbied as much as possible, broke the law more, then bribed anyone with political power until they got to god emperor himself who said “this is progress”. And everything was just fine. But that would mean that technology is political issue.

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Re: Stepping Down as Framework Linux Community Ambassadors

#37

Post by grimblee »

grigio wrote: post #35
grimblee wrote: post #29

1. Fascists should be fought everywhere and all the time so their ideas never get normalized. 2. Everything we do is political, tech is VERY political, stop daydreaming. A tolerant society cannot tolerate intolerance lest it gets destroyed by it.

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You are not even worth answering, go educate yourself on what fascism means

Re: Stepping Down as Framework Linux Community Ambassadors

#38

Post by api »

omnimus wrote: post #32
api wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s not a problem with LLMs as a technology. It’s a problem with how LLM companies have been allowed to violate copyright at industrial scale. It’s a political and social problem. The same indictment can be made about search companies and social media: that they are monetizing others work without compensation. Or is there something about the tech that requires that it be deployed in this way? My position is that L…

So you identify the problems. I guess they happened out of thin air? The broken copyright has been allowed by someone... someone BAD! Or maybe the companies broke the law, lobbied as much as possible, broke the law more, then bribed anyone with political power until they got to god emperor himself who said “this is progress”. And everything was just fine. But that would mean that technology is political issue.

Uhh… that’s what I said. The problem is political.

Re: Stepping Down as Framework Linux Community Ambassadors

#39

Post by majorchord »

darthnebula wrote: post #20

I really hope Framework ignores these people. They are not Linux Ambassadors, they are political activists. These people only care about their ideology and anyone who doesn't blindly follow it gets defamed. I, and I would imagine many, are tired of this sort of binary thinking. You are either part of the problem or part of the solution. Society can't function like this.

Low-intelligence people are masters of black-and-white thinking.

Re: Stepping Down as Framework Linux Community Ambassadors

#40

Post by LexiMax »

omnimus wrote: post #31
darthnebula wrote: post #20

I really hope Framework ignores these people. They are not Linux Ambassadors, they are political activists. These people only care about their ideology and anyone who doesn't blindly follow it gets defamed. I, and I would imagine many, are tired of this sort of binary thinking. You are either part of the problem or part of the solution. Society can't function like this.

What is their ideology? Being political activists? How? These are two people stepping down from community position because they don't agree with actions/direction of the project. There is nothing bizarre about that. They posted why they don't agree and that's it.

> What is their ideology? Being political activists? How?

In today's post-truth landscape, words no longer mean their literal meaning, but are used as weapons.

The person you were replying to is very much aware that they are not literally a political activist. However, they find their positions so disagreeable that they want to label them as political activists because it creates a very specific connotation in people's heads.

It is about the furthest thing from a good faith framing that you can possibly get. But it's pretty par for course on Hacker News.

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