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Re: “iCloud Backup”

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I recently left a job that initially gave me a iPhone 3G ~3 years ago. When I upgraded to a 4S I just transferred the settings over.

When I left I decided to delete my email account because why would I need it anymore. So I remove the account from the iPhone and went to eat a bagel.

Imagine my surprise when I come back to my phone to call my sister except iPhone tells me I only know about 8 people.

Apparently the iPhone tied all my contacts with the company account so when I deleted that, there went all my contacts with it.

No problem right, I'll just retrieve my backup from my computer from the last time I synced and I'll get my contacts back and then I'll figure out how to transfer over the contacts.

Except apparently when I got this phone with iCloud it turned off backups when I synced with my computer. Okay no problem, iCloud should have it right?

Except iCloud has been telling me that it doesn't have enough space to backup my stuff for weeks. I just assumed that meant my apps weren't getting backed up, which is fine. But apparently they don't update anything else, even if you've already backed it up (this is definitely not all Apple's fault, but iCloud is pretty confusing about its backup rules). Not sure why I couldn't retrieve my contacts from right before when I deleted them but they were no where to be found.

So finally I just bit the bullet and synced with an old backup and lost about 3-4 months worth of text messages. Yay.

Re: “iCloud Backup”

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I recently had a problem with corrupt file system (that's what I initially thought, but right now I think the disk is dying). Anyway, what I did was re-partition my 750 HDD and installed Mountain Lion in another volume. Then, I copied "~/Music/iTunes" AND "~/Library/Application Support/MobileSync" folders from the (supposedly) corrupt ML to the new ML, and the next time I attached my iDevices to the Mac, they synced back without a problem and I didn't lose a single item. Of course, I also had iCloud sync set up before hand (and now I learned that I can use both the iCloud and manual backup to my computer, which is extremely convenient).

It was a little off-topic, but I just thought sharing that little story with others might be beneficial. I searched a lot before doing that but couldn't reliably verify I can move my Synced data between multiple installations, so maybe others in the same situation find it useful.

Re: “iCloud Backup”

#33
Its possible that oversight here was on Marco's part and not the Apple Store's. If his grandfather had told an Apple Genius that "he wanted to make sure he could transfer his stuff onto a new iPad in case this one ever broke", chances are that the Genius would have known what he was talking about. Instead, Marco doesn't trust his grandfather to explain that coherently and has him write down the cryptic words "ICLOUD BACKUP". To be fair, those words don't mean much by themselves and I could see why the Genius thought he was doing the right thing.

Re: “iCloud Backup”

#34
The iPhone since its first version will only ever pair with one iTunes database on one computer. Although, yes, you can still backup your phone to any computer with iTunes, just on restore you won't be able to reinstall apps and music until you sync with the original computer. This is a political policy put in place and not any kind of limitation of iTunes Sync. I and several people have filed Radars on it over the years explaining why this was a bad policy but it always went into the black hole that is iTunes Radars saying "By Design".

The issue is moot now that you can back your phone up to iCloud completely avoiding the iTunes step. It's slow and could be costly if you have a lot to backup, but at least it moves things in the right direction overall.

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People with no technical experience using modern technology, sometimes I explain this to folks as the "Chutes and Ladders" problem. You set the problem up like this, person comes to you and wants to buy lunch. You put down a "Chutes and Ladders" game (minimum age 3) and you say sure as soon as your piece wins. Now wait and watch them. If they do anything that isn't in the rules you play a loud buzzing sound and scold…

I don't really get your analogy. I've never played Chutes and Ladders, so I would probably be annoyed, but if the game is as simple as you infer, I suspect I would be able to accomplish the goal fairly quickly.

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Honestly I never trust Apple with iCloud. Still need to do backup with iTunes regularly. I wish iOS has better integration with Dropbox because I trust it. But again, if Apple takes over DB, then I would lose my trust. This guy isn't for web service except for music/app downloading.

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post #31

I recently left a job that initially gave me a iPhone 3G ~3 years ago. When I upgraded to a 4S I just transferred the settings over. When I left I decided to delete my email account because why would I need it anymore. So I remove the account from the iPhone and went to eat a bagel. Imagine my surprise when I come back to my phone to call my sister except iPhone tells me I only know about 8 people. Apparently the iPh…

I'm pretty sure that the iPhone asks you if you want to keep a local copy of your contacts & calendars when you remove an Exchange account, so you may have hit "No" on accident.

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post #35

People with no technical experience using modern technology, sometimes I explain this to folks as the "Chutes and Ladders" problem. You set the problem up like this, person comes to you and wants to buy lunch. You put down a "Chutes and Ladders" game (minimum age 3) and you say sure as soon as your piece wins. Now wait and watch them. If they do anything that isn't in the rules you play a loud buzzing sound and scold…

I don't really get your analogy. I've never played Chutes and Ladders, so I would probably be annoyed, but if the game is as simple as you infer, I suspect I would be able to accomplish the goal fairly quickly.

Yes you would be annoyed. Chutes and Ladders consists of activating a spinner, moving a piece along a path based on the number pointed to by the spinner, going 'up' if you land on a ladder or 'down' if you land on a chute, and you 'win' when your piece lands exactly on the last spot. You would probably get as few as 3 and as many as a half dozen 'buzzes' as you figured it out.

So you should try the test (or try it on an unsuspecting test candidate) my experience has been that no matter how 'simple' the game is, the fact that it seems completely orthogonal to the person, their ability to 'shift gears' and learn a new thing so that they can get on with the desired thing is blocked. It is especially true if you put a time limit on getting the desired thing done.

The challenge is that a number of things seem to have an assumption about your basic skills that may not be valid. An acquaintance went nuts when an app required that he cut and paste something on his phone. He had never had a reason to do cut and paste before so to complete the task he had to learn cut and paste. He was making zero progress on that goal. I did it for him, then later went back and showed him in a non time-constrained / outcome-desired setting how to do it. That worked fine of course, and now its part of his tool kit.

Re: “iCloud Backup”

#39

People with no technical experience using modern technology, sometimes I explain this to folks as the "Chutes and Ladders" problem. You set the problem up like this, person comes to you and wants to buy lunch. You put down a "Chutes and Ladders" game (minimum age 3) and you say sure as soon as your piece wins. Now wait and watch them. If they do anything that isn't in the rules you play a loud buzzing sound and scold…

The thing about Chutes and Ladders is that winning is subject to random chance. I don't think we want that to be the case with technology.

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"I figured that a “Genius” would quickly figure out whether it still had iOS 4, and if so, would just update it to iOS 5 or 6 and then set up iCloud backup." Wait but "Updating to iOS 5 will delete all of the apps and media... To preserve your content, apply this update on the computer where you sync apps, music, videos, and photos." [1] [1] http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/lifehacker/2011/...

Yes, Marco's figuring was wrong (or at least incomplete). However, doesn't his expectation sound reasonable (especially for the "it just works" company)? And isn't the mismatch between expectations and reality one of his points?

His expectation sounds reasonable but part of that is he's not an objective third party -- he's presumably writing to emphasize the reasonableness.

We really don't know what happened between when his 87 year old grandfather walked into the Apple store and when he walked out with a restored machine. I can think of a lot of ways this ends up "just not working". Maybe grandpa used the word "restore" at some point not aware of it's specific meaning, heads were nodded and miscommunication happened.

Wife and I were planning to get her mother a tablet to video chat with before she passed unexpectedly a year ago. Had we done so and had we been in a similar situation I doubt I would have sent her to the Apple store with only the words "icloud backup" scrawled on a piece of paper. I mean it's total speculation but I think I would have had an email explaining exactly what to do or told her to wait until we were there to handle it.

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