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Re: Jujutsu at Google [video]

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Post by CuriouslyC »

nh23423fefe wrote: post #23
dakiol wrote: post #18

I've worked in huge repos with hundreds of developers pushing code every day, dozens of MRs open per day, and all I always needed was a very limited set of what git is capable of (git commit, git co, git st, git merge/rebase, git log). To find bugs, I use "bisect but visually" (I usually use jetbrains IDEs, so I just go to the git history, and do binary search in the commits, displaying all the files that were affect…

I have never understood the claim that git is hard. the docs are good and there are plenty of examples online. feels the same when people say, "jq is hard i use python instead" like ok

My perspective, git isn't hard, but coordinating git workflows in teams with a merge backlog is a real pain in the ass.

Re: Jujutsu at Google [video]

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Post by 0cf8612b2e1e »

BeetleB wrote: post #14
impure wrote: post #9

Oh so Google is finally releasing their VCS system I hear so much about. Well it’s Jj not Piper but it looks like Jj will eventually replace Piper and if half the things I’ve heard about Piper are true it will be very successful.

jj is independent of Google.

It does require a google CLA.

Re: Jujutsu at Google [video]

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Post by shadowgovt »

phyrex wrote: post #24
Ferret7446 wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not that there are any other options. You're not gonna run datacenters on Mac boxes or Window s, nor would you want to pay a Unix vendor

The datacenter OS doesn't have to be the same as the developer OS. At my work (of similar scale) the datacenters all run Linux but very nearly all developers are on MacOS

MacOSX is a popular choice for dev boxes (if I understand correctly, they provide some pretty good tooling for managing a fleet of machines; more expensive hardware than a Linux dev machine fleet, but less DIY for company-wide administration).

... but Google solves the "A Linux fleet requires investment to maintain" problem by investing. They maintain their own in-house distro.

Re: Jujutsu at Google [video]

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Post by stonogo »

BeetleB wrote: post #14
impure wrote: post #9

Oh so Google is finally releasing their VCS system I hear so much about. Well it’s Jj not Piper but it looks like Jj will eventually replace Piper and if half the things I’ve heard about Piper are true it will be very successful.

jj is independent of Google.

it is literally impossible to contribute to jj without a Google account and a signed agreement with Google.

Re: Jujutsu at Google [video]

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Post by rs186 »

martinvonz wrote: post #10
spyspy wrote: post #5

Off topic, and I don't want to knock the presenter here, but if you're ever going to give a public talk or presentation at work _please_ review the Death By Powerpoint slide deck[0] first. [0] https://www.slideshare.net/slideshow/death-by-powerpoint/855...

Thanks for the link. I went through it but I'm not sure what it's telling me to change. Can you elaborate? If it's "be more engaging", i think is unfortunately going to be hard to improve because this is just how i am.

Not parent but I think the link is pretty clear about what they want to say. I haven't got the time to actually watch the full video, but I could tell this is not a great presentation just by randomly clicking at random timestamps. And almost any presentation from Google (technical or not) I watched on YouTube is better than this.

If you really want me to explain it for you, and just one issue:

There are way too many words on your slides.

P.S. You should click that link and go through it again. If you still don't get it, try once more.

Re: Jujutsu at Google [video]

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Post by CBLT »

ffsm8 wrote: post #28
phyrex wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not to be a jerk, but 'hundreds of devs and dozens of MR per day' is not 'huge repos'. Certain functionality only becomes relevant at scale, and what is easy on a repo worth hundreds of megabytes doesn't work anymore once you have terabytes of source code to deal with.

> terabytes of source code You sure that exists? Git repositories that contain terabytes of source code? I could imagine a repo that is terabytes but has binaries committed or similar... But source code?

Google's monorepo is in fact terabytes with no binaries. It does stretch the definition of source code though - a lot of that is configuration files (at worst, text protos) which are automatically generated.

Re: Jujutsu at Google [video]

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Post by jeffbee »

ffsm8 wrote: post #28
phyrex wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not to be a jerk, but 'hundreds of devs and dozens of MR per day' is not 'huge repos'. Certain functionality only becomes relevant at scale, and what is easy on a repo worth hundreds of megabytes doesn't work anymore once you have terabytes of source code to deal with.

> terabytes of source code You sure that exists? Git repositories that contain terabytes of source code? I could imagine a repo that is terabytes but has binaries committed or similar... But source code?

git could never, but piper at google is way over that figure. Way, way over.

Re: Jujutsu at Google [video]

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Post by redleader55 »

martinvonz wrote: post #10
spyspy wrote: post #5

Off topic, and I don't want to knock the presenter here, but if you're ever going to give a public talk or presentation at work _please_ review the Death By Powerpoint slide deck[0] first. [0] https://www.slideshare.net/slideshow/death-by-powerpoint/855...

Thanks for the link. I went through it but I'm not sure what it's telling me to change. Can you elaborate? If it's "be more engaging", i think is unfortunately going to be hard to improve because this is just how i am.

I think GP is suggesting using less words on a slide, having visual aids and often, thinking of 2-3 ideas that someone would remember from your presentation. To the first point, if you take more than 1 min on a single slide, you need to split it into more slides.

Also, present things that you are passionate about if you want to make people care about your presentation.

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