What happened was people ended up putting a lot of money and sensitive data on their computers and desired a system which wouldn’t expose that just because they ran the wrong software.
"Wash me but don't get me wet." (Is this a saying in english?)
What happened to running what you wanted on your own machine?
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Re: What happened to running what you wanted on your own machine?
#32I was there, 3000 years ago, when we started ringing the bell about “trusted computing”. Honestly it’s not as bad as I expected
Mobile is where it’s bad. It never took hold fully on desktop since desktop is used for development and too many other things.
Mobile is where it is all going. PCs will be like android in the near future.
Re: What happened to running what you wanted on your own machine?
#33What happened was people ended up putting a lot of money and sensitive data on their computers and desired a system which wouldn’t expose that just because they ran the wrong software.
"Wash me but don't get me wet." (Is this a saying in english?)
I guess you are trying to say: "You can’t have your cake and eat it too." ?!
Re: What happened to running what you wanted on your own machine?
#34The one word answer to this? Linux.
The article is largely about phones, where the barrier to install a truly open Linux system are high and getting higher.
There are plenty of smartphone companies locking down their bootloaders, but there are others that will let you unlock your bootloader by just running the basic command.
A much bigger problem for running Linux on phones is that standard Linux runs like crap on phones. It doesn't have the mainline driver support amd64 computers have, and the battery life optimizations that make Android usable need to be reimplemented on top of Linux to get a day's worth of use out of your phone. Unfortunately, most Linux applications are written for desktops where they expect the CPU to be running all the time, the WiFi to be accessible whenever they want, and for sleep/suspend to be extremely incidental rather than every two minutes.
Re: What happened to running what you wanted on your own machine?
#35Earlier quoted context omitted.
Doing evil things under the guise of good intentions (with reasons that appear valid on the surface) has always been the playbook. All you're doing is excusing it - let's not. If this was genuinely about security and UX then they would continue to provide viable "escape hatches", but it isn't and so they don't. That's what's being criticized .
I disagree, I don’t think I’m excusing it at all and your argument hinges on the restriction of software running on hardware to be evil. I wouldn’t describe it that way. I think it’s frustrating certainly but I don’t think you have an inalienable right to run code of your choice. I would characterize it more as Google is responding to the needs of the vast majority of its users, most of whom do not care to run unsign…
> I don’t think you have an inalienable right to run code of your choice
> more importantly crack down on those who would pirate their, software.
If you represent the interests of corporations then try leading with that next time.
> Escape hatches are great, but each also represents a security weakness waiting to be exploited.
Besides being a broad statement that lacks citations and no doubt relies on contrived examples where this was implemented poorly, it's also clearly a violation of the EU Digital Markets Act.
Re: What happened to running what you wanted on your own machine?
#36ReactOS needs donations
NetBSD is running a new round of donations
F-Droid needs donations
There are more
AROS, GNU-HURD and more
you can always contribute code, maintain an app, report a bug
You can buy HW to run AOSP, like Raspberry-PI or RISC-V
We are the consumers, we have the wallet.
Re: What happened to running what you wanted on your own machine?
#37I was there, 3000 years ago, when we started ringing the bell about “trusted computing”. Honestly it’s not as bad as I expected
I have an ugly hunch that systemd gonna be Google Play Services of Linux at some point.
I beg history to prove me wrong.
For anyone interested, please look at Hardware attestation and TiVoization, thanks.
Re: What happened to running what you wanted on your own machine?
#38Executive Summary: run Linux
Won't matter. Remote hardware attestation means they will know you're trying to bypass their control. You'll be denied service at every turn. Can't even log into your bank account.
Re: What happened to running what you wanted on your own machine?
#39Earlier quoted context omitted.
Mobile is where it’s bad. It never took hold fully on desktop since desktop is used for development and too many other things.
Mobile is where it is all going. PCs will be like android in the near future.
what? windows 11 was just for new features right? ... right?
Re: What happened to running what you wanted on your own machine?
#40What happened was people ended up putting a lot of money and sensitive data on their computers and desired a system which wouldn’t expose that just because they ran the wrong software.
Ah yes, the good old freedom for security tradeoff. Of course, in this case it's the security of trillion dollar corporations at the cost of our freedoms...