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AI Pullback Has Officially Started

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Re: AI Pullback Has Officially Started

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Post by lm28469 »

sega_sai wrote: post #25

I find these sorts of takes to be tiresome. It is absolutely true there is a lot of hype around AI. Also it is true that many AI companies try to shove AI into everything without necessarily thinking wherer it is a good idea or whether it useful (talking to you Google). Notwithstanding this it is absolutely clear how transformational the technology is. For low skill tasks it can certainly substitute people and save a…

For every employee using LLM for productivity you have 50 who use it to bullshit their way up the ladder, generate overly verbose emails, reports, bug reports, &c.

My wife's team spent 20+ man hours analyzing and trying to fufil the requests of one of their biggest customer, in the end it turned out to be a fully llm generated feature request email from someone who didn't quite understand the product in the first place...

When you save one hour on a coding task somewhere someone spends two hours trying to parse some bullshit email or report. I'm convinced it's a net negative overall

Re: AI Pullback Has Officially Started

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Post by yeasku »

lm28469 wrote: post #31
sega_sai wrote: post #25

I find these sorts of takes to be tiresome. It is absolutely true there is a lot of hype around AI. Also it is true that many AI companies try to shove AI into everything without necessarily thinking wherer it is a good idea or whether it useful (talking to you Google). Notwithstanding this it is absolutely clear how transformational the technology is. For low skill tasks it can certainly substitute people and save a…

For every employee using LLM for productivity you have 50 who use it to bullshit their way up the ladder, generate overly verbose emails, reports, bug reports, &c. My wife's team spent 20+ man hours analyzing and trying to fufil the requests of one of their biggest customer, in the end it turned out to be a fully llm generated feature request email from someone who didn't quite understand the product in the first pla…

I dont undertand why you are beibg downvoted

Re: AI Pullback Has Officially Started

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Post by yeasku »

tim333 wrote: post #23

>Back in 2024, 54% of researchers used AI — that figure jumped up to 84% this year kind of makes me doubt the pullback. Maybe the hype's dying but it's getting along as an everyday tool?

Most "researchers" are people studing that use chat gpt every day at school.

Re: AI Pullback Has Officially Started

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Post by yeasku »

walleeee wrote: post #28
panny wrote: post #22

There are a lot of people invested in AI, so they are cheerleaders. There are way more people who didn't invest, who are sour grapes and want to see it fail. I'm neither of these people, but it's a democracy after all. I think AI is due for another winter.

Painting opposition as "sour grapes" is an extraordinarily bad faith take.

I dont want to be sold ai girlfriends

If that makes me a sour grape, so be it.

Re: AI Pullback Has Officially Started

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Post by yeasku »

moomoo11 wrote: post #7

AI (LLM) is useful for coding and I use it to lookup various articles or websites and summarize. Use it where it works.. ignore the agents hype and other bullshit peddled by 19yo dropouts. Unlike the 19yo dropouts of the 2010s these guys have brain rot and I don’t trust them after having talked to such people at start up events and getting their black pill takes. They have products that don’t work and lie about numbe…

LLMs are not useful for coding in any real world project.

That people keep repeating a lie does not make it true.

Re: AI Pullback Has Officially Started

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Post by mnky9800n »

sega_sai wrote: post #25

I find these sorts of takes to be tiresome. It is absolutely true there is a lot of hype around AI. Also it is true that many AI companies try to shove AI into everything without necessarily thinking wherer it is a good idea or whether it useful (talking to you Google). Notwithstanding this it is absolutely clear how transformational the technology is. For low skill tasks it can certainly substitute people and save a…

Yes. I think the hype is crazy and also the tools are awesome. Like the other day i had all this different documentation in different files. .tex, .md, .docx, .xlsx, it was a mess and I needed to put it together into a summary document that could be shared with stakeholders because they aren't going to read through all that and make sense of it. So I dropped them in a folder and asked claude code to do it and 5 minutes later I had something I could edit a bit and send out. That would have been at least half a days worth of work. Did it fudge some bits? yes but then i just fixed it and everything is fine.

to me i think all the hype comes from promises of C3P0s and R2D2s instead pitching it as building computational tools that make you more efficient or give you new ways to model your ideas inside a computer.

Re: AI Pullback Has Officially Started

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Post by emp17344 »

sega_sai wrote: post #25

I find these sorts of takes to be tiresome. It is absolutely true there is a lot of hype around AI. Also it is true that many AI companies try to shove AI into everything without necessarily thinking wherer it is a good idea or whether it useful (talking to you Google). Notwithstanding this it is absolutely clear how transformational the technology is. For low skill tasks it can certainly substitute people and save a…

You’re gonna keep seeing takes like this until expectations meet the reality of the tools, because the hype is absolutely insane right now. I think it’s good to push back against the current narrative.

Re: AI Pullback Has Officially Started

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Post by Libidinalecon »

sega_sai wrote: post #25

I find these sorts of takes to be tiresome. It is absolutely true there is a lot of hype around AI. Also it is true that many AI companies try to shove AI into everything without necessarily thinking wherer it is a good idea or whether it useful (talking to you Google). Notwithstanding this it is absolutely clear how transformational the technology is. For low skill tasks it can certainly substitute people and save a…

Most business tasks are not low skilled language tasks that are so easy to automate. I am helping rebuild a business right now that has a call center and LLMs are basically useless for us.

It is actually kind of shocking how I can go home and learn about quantum computing from LLMs but find them useless for simple business processes. This though I think exemplifies the entire mistake of the bubble. Most business processes don't benefit at all from understanding the Hamiltonian of a system. Most business processes are simple tasks that are the end result of previous automation. In practice, most business processes in 2025 are simple processes done by a human who can deal with the random uncertainty and distribution shift that inevitably comes up. Exactly what a language isn't good but it is even beyond that. So much of what a customer service agent for example is doing is dealing with uncertainty and externality. There is the process that LLMs aren't good anyway but then there is the human judgement on when to disregard the process because of various externalities. The trivial business processes LLMs would be good at automating have already been automated years ago or the business went out of business years ago. AGI would in theory be amazing at all this too but we don't have AGI. We have language models that have a very limited use case beyond an interactive version of Wikipedia. I love the interactive version of Wikipedia but it is not worth trillions of dollars.

Re: AI Pullback Has Officially Started

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Post by herdcall »

Articles like this keep popping up because they're catnip to those who hate AI or feel threatened by it. On coding, I routinely see people trashing vibe coding and jumping on the slightest mistake agents may make, never mind that human devs screw up all the time. And write-ups citing stats on AI coding tend to be written by folks who either don't code for a living or never earnestly tried it.

I use Claude Code regularly at work and can tell it is absolutely fantastic and getting better. You obviously need to guide it well (use plan mode first) and point to hand coded stuff to follow, and it will save you enormous amount of time and effort. Please don't put off trying AI coding out after reading misinformed articles like this.

Re: AI Pullback Has Officially Started

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Post by emp17344 »

herdcall wrote: post #39

Articles like this keep popping up because they're catnip to those who hate AI or feel threatened by it. On coding, I routinely see people trashing vibe coding and jumping on the slightest mistake agents may make, never mind that human devs screw up all the time. And write-ups citing stats on AI coding tend to be written by folks who either don't code for a living or never earnestly tried it. I use Claude Code regula…

Sorry, but your anecdote isn’t very convincing in comparison to the data shared in the article.
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